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> Bosch 050 and 009, What's the difference?
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post Jan 18 2006, 11:38 AM
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It is Bosch part number 230 081 050. It ends with "050", just like the "009" distributors end with 009. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif)
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post Jan 18 2006, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 18 2006, 09:08 AM)
What a maroon I am.

Did you mean to say "moron"? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Just kidding...
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post Jan 18 2006, 12:22 PM
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Ok Ok.. I didn't look close enough at the picture provided. It is a D-jet distributor.


It is still NOT the 009 that should be subjected to the "float test".
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post Jan 18 2006, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (maf914 @ Jan 18 2006, 10:06 AM)
QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 18 2006, 09:08 AM)
What a maroon I am.

Did you mean to say "moron"? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Just kidding...

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Nope wanted to use "Dumb ass" but that seems to be already taken.
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post Jan 18 2006, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE (SLITS @ Jan 18 2006, 09:26 AM)
That image is VW and prolly a 2L bus

0 231 174 009 = VW 039 905 205

It is interchangeable with..

0 231 174 011 which was used on the VW 2L and the Porsche 2L = 039 905 205A




VW never used D-jet on the 2 litre engines fitted to any vehicles sold in the USA, and likely the ROW. This distributor is NOT used in VWs, only Porsches. Neither is the "011". The Cap'n
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post Jan 18 2006, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 18 2006, 11:49 AM)
QUOTE (SLITS @ Jan 18 2006, 09:26 AM)
That image is VW and prolly a 2L bus

0 231 174 009 = VW 039 905 205

It is interchangeable with..

0 231 174 011 which was used on the VW 2L and the Porsche 2L = 039 905 205A




VW never used D-jet on the 2 litre engines fitted to any vehicles sold in the USA, and likely the ROW. This distributor is NOT used in VWs, only Porsches. Neither is the "011". The Cap'n

Well Cap'n....no argument with me....you can argue with the Bosch ESI....'cause the Bosch number translates to the VW & Porsche application as shown according to their CD.

Up to 07/74 on the 914 2.0L, Bosch supplied 0 231 174 011
From 08/74 on the 914 2.0L, Bosch supplied 0 231 172 021
USA Models - 70 kW - 08/72 thru 12/75

Bosch also shows a 914 with no country desigination but producing 74 kW which used the 0 231 174 011

The bus was a guess as it didn't show fitting the Porsche.
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post Jan 18 2006, 01:16 PM
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009 was "the original VW performance distributor" and I believe had a built-in retard for the #3 cylinder in the pre "dog-house" cooler days. The 050 came later and was also centrifugal but had no #3 retarding and the larger advance- at least tto my understanding.
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post Jan 18 2006, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (hedfurst @ Jan 18 2006, 02:16 PM)
009 was "the original VW performance distributor" and I believe had a built-in retard for the #3 cylinder in the pre "dog-house" cooler days. The 050 came later and was also centrifugal but had no #3 retarding and the larger advance- at least tto my understanding.

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post Jan 18 2006, 02:01 PM
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ha, ohh well (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jan 18 2006, 02:45 PM
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Fred !!!!
got the motor together yet. I need to race soon. Your car is probably still legal for SM-2.
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post Jan 18 2006, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE (hedfurst @ Jan 18 2006, 11:16 AM)
009 was "the original VW performance distributor" and I believe had a built-in retard for the #3 cylinder in the pre "dog-house" cooler days. The 050 came later and was also centrifugal but had no #3 retarding and the larger advance- at least tto my understanding.

Actually, the "009" that we're discussing was originally designed for, and installed on, industrial engines which generally run at a single steady RPM. Their short advance curve allows them to be easily started and they reach full operating RPM and advance early. Performance in between idle and operating speed is of no consequence, nor are emissions levels. The dreaded "flat spot" is meaningless on an industrial engine. The Cap'n
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post Jan 18 2006, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (hedfurst @ Jan 18 2006, 12:16 PM)
009 was "the original VW performance distributor" and I believe had a built-in retard for the #3 cylinder in the pre "dog-house" cooler days. The 050 came later and was also centrifugal but had no #3 retarding and the larger advance- at least tto my understanding.

Woah.. so you're saying the 4 lobes on the shaft are not 90 degrees apart? That seems like a terrible idea.
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post Jan 18 2006, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (Carlitos Way @ Jan 18 2006, 12:07 AM)
Can anybody tell me the difference between these two distributors? do they use the same cap/rotor?

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post Jan 18 2006, 09:47 PM
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Oil cooler on the old type 1 was inside the cooling shroud. Pre-heated the air on the 3,4 side. #3 cylinder has always been the "hottest" and there fore a weakness. Lots of problems with "pulled" #3head studs in the old cases. I remember these cool self tapping head studs that enabled repair without a complete tear down. Builders used to reinforce the older cases' webbing around the #3 studs inside the case and installed threaded inserts for the studs before VW redesigned and fixed the problem. Anyway, the original stock distributors had this built in #3 retard to make that cylinder run cooler. I was informed years ago that the 009 had this feature also. Later designs may have made this unnecessary. Incidentally, the stock carbs were always a little rich which also promoted cooler running.

Joe, the mill is together but not installed yet. Finishing up the 5-lug conversion in the rear- taking a bit more time than I thought it would. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif)
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post Jan 18 2006, 10:41 PM
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I thought the main difference between the 009 and the 050 was that the 009 sinks faster than the 050...

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post Jan 18 2006, 11:09 PM
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Heres a pic of my d-jet dizzy. Removed from my '73 914-2.0.
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0 231172 021
039 905 205B
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post Jan 18 2006, 11:19 PM
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Mallory's are supposed to be good too, just not for the CSOB..

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you can use lots of different dizzies for these motors,Britt told me it doesnt matter which one you use
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