hotdgr needs HELP, cross country trip stopped in Benson AZ Options

[gregrobbins]

Hey all, Bob aka hotdgr, is driving a car he purchased in Monterey CA to his home in Tampa FL. He stayed with us last night and headed east from Phoenix this morning.

I just got off the phone with him, and he broke down out side Benson Arizona.

Here is his problem. Stock 1.7L with D-jet. Turns the key and no fuel pump sound and the starter does not crank. Bob is a FAA licensed airplane mechanic and says that he went through all the connections, checked the fuses, checked and replace some relays. Right now he is stumped. I told him I would post here and ask for input, or you can call his cell phone directly and talk with him at: 813-610-0056.

Bob is a real nice guy, lets do what we can to help him get back on the road. New Mexico, Texas teeners, and points east, keep up with his travels and hook up with him for eats or offer any assistance he may need.

[rick 918-S]

Looks like Benson is East of Tucon. Anyone in the area?

[gregrobbins]

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[rick 918-S]

just talked to Bob. Jeff B. or someone that is good with the wiring please give Bob a call. I think his relay board is failing. He may need to jumper the starter switch and fuel pump.

[rick 918-S]

Bob has a hotel and a Dennys. His car is in the local repair garage lot. So he's ok for now. He's not on the side of the road anyway.

[bd1308]

tell him to somehow ground the pin on the relay board like this...



there is a group of four wires that power the ECU. well one is the ground to turn the fuel pump on...

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you want to ground the lower left pin to the ground of the car....

this should make the pump run when the key is turned.

b

[rick 918-S]

It's hard to test the connections by yourself. but does the starter switch wiring go through the relay board? I think it does. If that's the case, I think he can jumper past the board in a pinch but he will needto get hooked up with a replacement board along the way. Anyone on his route have parts?

[rick 918-S]

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jan 18 2006, 06:50 PM)

tell him to somehow ground the pin on the relay board like this... there is a group of four wires that power the ECU. well one is the ground to turn the fuel pump on... | | | | you want to ground the lower left pin to the ground of the car.... this should make the pump run when the key is turned. b

Ok, but what about the key? engine won't crank either.

[bd1308]

well i usually have problems that come in pairs....could his starter be on the way out?

what if he push-starts it?

thats what i had to do for a week or three....

b

[shaggy]

when my 1.7 is acting weird i just pull the body ground off and put it back on and it magicly fixes it self

i dont know whats wrong but about 80% of the time that fixes it

not my head lights go up and down about 2 months ago they didnt, then i pulled the ground and now the do

but seriously before when they thing wouldnt crank or anthing i did that and then it worked

[swl]

No fuel pump AND no crank? Thank kinda sounds like the ignition switch - or the power supply to it.

The starter does go through the relay board but it is just passed through. The relay board is just a connector.

[bd1308]

i have two ground straps for redundancy...

one on the tranny and one on the engine....

but I guess it wouldnt hurt trying that....what does he have to lose?

maybe the relay is shot?

b

[rick 918-S]

QUOTE (swl @ Jan 18 2006, 07:00 PM)

No fuel pump AND no crank? Thank kinda sounds like the ignition switch - or the power supply to it. The starter does go through the relay board but it is just passed through. The relay board is just a connector.

Dash lights, alt & oil, but no crank and no fuel pump.

[snflupigus]

when i picked my car up north of seattle and drove it here to phoenix... twice at gas stations it decided it wasnt going to start. I was not happy. I push started it both times. Its never happened since and I am pretty sure it was just that the starter was too hot after driving for hours and hours and hours.

now that i think of it, i'm sure he's probably let it cool off enough, jump that connection and try to start it?

[bd1308]

isnt there a ignition fuse on the relay board....?

it sounds like a ignition switch deal....

b

[rick 918-S]

If your really good with wiring call 813-610-0056. Maybe you can walk Bob through the short.

[seanery]

I remember reading a couple years ago about ignition switch failures...maybe he should try to hotwire it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

[snflupigus]

i can be there in 2 hours... i have an entire wiring harness, a relay board that works (but is cracking...) and any tools you could ever need to fix whatever is wrong.....

just left a message for him. I'm up for a road trip. anyone else want to go try and fix it if he calls? I can give it a good 3 hours of tinkering. 4 hours of sleep before work tomorrow = no problem (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

[bd1308]

lets do this....

i'll get him going, snufplugis(sp) can you meet him where you are?

should i call him?

b

[swl]

how about other switched items - headlight motors? If you have a meter you can check for 12 volts at the coil - it is pretty much a straight run from the ignition switch.