hotdgr needs HELP, cross country trip stopped in Benson AZ Options

[snflupigus]

i discovered on my seattle to phoenix purchase trip that i could start it using reverse! LOL there was no other way. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Correct parking procedures. Funny!

He has not called me back so I either dailed the wrong number and left a message on some strange persons voicemail OR... he's ok enough that he doesnt need my assistance. Guess i'll just keep workin on my own in the garage.

402-659-5882 in case he didnt get my message and someone else talks to him.

[MarkV]

I just got off the phone with him. He is checked in to a motel. The car made it to the local garage via flat bed. He won't have a chance to try any of the suggestions until the morning. Doesn't know if he has 12v to the coil. He has been able to jump the relay board to get the fuel pump to run. He is going to call me tomorrow if he needs parts.

He pulled off the road to take a break and look at a map and the car wouldn't turn over. I bet it fires right up in the morning.

Benson is a real small town, one or two exits on I-10. Cable TV at at the hotel is down.

[swl]

A meter is going to be a good thing to have if someone is going to go help him. There are multiple paths through the switch. Ignition is on one, fuel pump (actually the main power relay) is on another which also feeds the coil. If you can check the coil (pull it off the coil to measure) you can help prove or disprove the ignition switch theory. I suspect the switch because it is the only failure point that is common between the solenoid and the fuel pump.

You can also pull off the 12 wire connecter(back right) from the relay board and look for the solenoid 12 volt on pin 6 (right side 3rd from front).

remember to pull off the feed to the primary on the coil (black and red) if you are going to have the switch turned on doing trouble shooting.

[swl]

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 18 2006, 07:46 PM)

He has been able to jump the relay board to get the fuel pump to run. .

That is consistent with the switch theory. The power for the fuel pump comes directly from the battery through that 25amp fuse on the relay board. The ignition switch fires the main power relay which provides power to the coil of the fuel pump relay.

[r_towle]

I am convinced that any aircooled car can get home with a coat hanger, duct tape, 10 feet of wire, a jack knife, and pantyhose...

Rich

[rick 918-S]

Just talked to Bob again. He is going to the library in the morning to use there internet. I told him about Pelicans wiring diagrams. I gave him my contact numbers incase he can't print from the library I can fax him. Sounds like he has a few options.

[r_towle]

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[markb]

I had exactly the same thing happen. No pump, no starter. It was the ignition switch connections. I hot wired the fuel pump off of the coil, used a screwdriver on the starter, and drove it home. It did it again the same day, and I got it going again by jiggleing(sp) the the ignition switch wires. This is on the Black car, which is a 71 with a 72 ignition switch. The wire jiggleing(sp) may not work with the earlier hard wired switch. HTH.

[gregrobbins]

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[joea9146]

Ignition Switch.... Keep in mind that when you turn the key
and the lights come on the dash does NOT mean the Ignition switch is always good.

The Ignition switch develops a flat or dead spot in the switch.
so as you slowy turn the switch watch the lights on the Dash.
If at any point they go out the Switch is Bad.

Just something to keep in mind as you try to rule the switch out.

[Joe Ricard]

I got a brand new starter with his name on it he gets it here. no switches or relay boards.
Oh wait a minute I just remembered I got a complete harness from Paul URY914 last month.
I'll look to see whats on it.

I am of the opinion that it will start this morning once cooled down.

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[SLITS]

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Also, you can have good contact at the ign setting, but at the start position it won't work....specially if the switch is cracked

If he needs a new ign switch (pain in the ass to change).....VW part 311 905 865A

[r_towle]

So, what is that status?

Anyone talk tohim this morning?

Rich

[MarkV]

I just talked to him. The starter is bad. The solenoid engages but the starter won't crank. I don't have a spare starter. He is checking with the local parts store.

[SLITS]

If you talk to him...make sure the parts store gives him an SR-17X or Lester #16300...

There is another that they try to supply that won't work...period SR-15X / Lester 16450.

[Joe Ricard]

Most of the FLAPS can search other stores for availability. So search for FLAPS along I-10 eastbound.

Get the guy to give you a push and haul ass to the next stop. 1.7L should get 350 miles to a tank of gas no sweat. That's alot of FLAPS.

I got a starter hear if he can make it. 20 minute swap including jack up the car and cleaning hands when done.

[MarkV]

The local parts store sent one over that doesn't fit. They want $163.00 for it. I called the Auto Zone up the street from my office, they have one in stock for $59.95. So, I guess I am going on a road trip to Benson AZ. Big Daves towing off exit #306. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

[Flat VW]

QUOTE (MarkV @ Jan 19 2006, 10:20 AM)

The local parts store sent one over that doesn't fit. They want $163.00 for it. I called the Auto Zone up the street from my office, they have one in stock for $59.95. So, I guess I am going on a road trip to Benson AZ. Big Daves towing off exit #306. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)

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John

[Sparky]

I'm gonna state the obvious here, though a little late in this case. If your gonna make a trip be prepared. I keep a "road bag" in the front trunk. Though given everything in it, it isnt that large it's just a canvas riggers bag. In it I have a small mulitmeter, a set of 6 thru 23 3/8 sockets 3", 6", and 12" extensions, 3/8 ratchet, long and short phillips and regular screw drivers, electrical tape, 25' of wire, butane soldering iron, solder, crimp on connectors, a quart of oil, a pint of brake fluid, a tire plug kit, a 12v air pump, a roll of paper towel, a can of carb/brake cleaner, various sized allen wrenches, dykes, vice grips, needle nose pliers, small hammer, 10" adjustable wrench, pliers, and a small bottle of windex. I also make sure that I have plenty of spare fuses, bulbs and relays in the car as well. gotten stuck one too many times and learned my lesson the hard way.

My best,
Mike D.

[Joe Ricard]

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If you look at the original thread from Bob, we all had an input to what should be in the trunk for a serious road trip. Your list looks remarkably like mine. Great minds huh?

Nobody carries a frigging starter. I can push a teener to bump start. and have had to wire a 12V lead from the + on the battery to the coil to get me home on an old bug.

Not to mention Bob seems to be a good wrench as evidenced by his ability to figure out what is really broke.
I look forward to him arriving in Mississippi.