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> Amazing 914 Engine Sound, ok, listen carefully and tell. . . . . .
cbenitah
post Jan 21 2006, 03:32 PM
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http://media.putfile.com/My-914-trying-to-start

it happened again... hitched a ride home..
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post Jan 21 2006, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (cbenitah @ Jan 21 2006, 03:32 PM)
http://media.putfile.com/My-914-trying-to-start

it happened again... hitched a ride home..

backfire from intake or tailpipe?

any smoke?

i bet its timing....

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post Jan 21 2006, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jan 21 2006, 01:39 PM)
QUOTE (cbenitah @ Jan 21 2006, 03:32 PM)
http://media.putfile.com/My-914-trying-to-start

it happened again... hitched a ride home..

backfire from intake or tailpipe?

any smoke?

i bet its timing....

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LOTS AND LOTS of grey/black smoke

can i fix it? Does it have to do with my new points? maybe an adjustment... i cant start it though.. if im under 2000 RPM it flickers and then dies..
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post Jan 21 2006, 04:23 PM
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real Rich....bad mps.

1.7 or 2.0

trigger points causing extra injector pulses?

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post Jan 21 2006, 04:26 PM
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1974 1.8L
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post Jan 21 2006, 04:46 PM
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1.8L

hmm...

anti-vac leak....

hmm.....

for it to be that messed up...

mine did the same thing, only mine ran real lean.

anywho, is the AFM stuck?

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post Jan 21 2006, 04:48 PM
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to much tech talk... a page i can look at in haynes?
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post Jan 21 2006, 04:51 PM
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Could be the timing is very far off; could be the plug wires are not on the right distributor cap terminals. Could be other stuff, too.

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post Jan 21 2006, 04:53 PM
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Have you guys heard anything like this though... this is my daily sound for the past 4 months... but with running and running bad.. but then i got it fixed last friday and then my points broke...
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post Jan 21 2006, 04:54 PM
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okay...if you go out to your car

look for the airbox (big black thing on left side {driver side})

then you'll see some silver metal thing attached to it. that be your AFM.

remove the intake boot (rubber) with a screwdriver on that hose clamp and stick your finger inside of that large diameter circular hole. you'll feel a flap, go ahead....push it. that flap meaures the amount of air coming through it, so the FI system can match it with a specified amount of fuel. If it sticks ANYWHERE in its travel, you need to do some work....

if you want i can pm you my number.....

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post Jan 21 2006, 05:02 PM
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again the car is nicely parked 20 miles away from here.. couldnt make it home, what is on the audio file is the sound i got.

but you are right, that flap was stuck last time, we freed it up by bending it and now its ok..

that WAS the problem, but how can it be the same symptoms when its not that...
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post Jan 21 2006, 05:04 PM
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because you drive and it gets stuck again....

bending it wont solve the problem....

you will need a rebuilt AFM....
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post Jan 21 2006, 05:08 PM
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and thats cheap i guess (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chowtime.gif)

Well, it seamed to work, casue the flap was just scratching the wall of it..
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post Jan 21 2006, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (Dave_Darling @ Jan 21 2006, 02:51 PM)
Could be the timing is very far off; could be the plug wires are not on the right distributor cap terminals. Could be other stuff, too.

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Sounds like very off timing.

Do you have D-Jet or L-Jet? (Did 1.8s come with D-Jet?)
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post Jan 21 2006, 06:20 PM
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Christopher,

I have a box of L-Jet parts in my garage. PM/email me and we can work out a handoff spot if you want some spares. AFM included.
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post Jan 21 2006, 06:41 PM
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he has L-Jet....

the AFM is bad.

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post Jan 21 2006, 09:11 PM
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It's timing. Excessive dwell or too retarded. BTDT, just recently fixed it. And it took a "new" used dizzy to do it. The irginal kept eating points rubbing blocks.
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post Jan 21 2006, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (Gint @ Jan 21 2006, 09:11 PM)
It's timing. Excessive dwell or too retarded. BTDT, just recently fixed it. And it took a "new" used dizzy to do it. The irginal kept eating points rubbing blocks.

my dizzy?

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post Jan 21 2006, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jan 21 2006, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE (Gint @ Jan 21 2006, 09:11 PM)
It's timing.  Excessive dwell or too retarded.  BTDT, just recently fixed it.  And it took a "new" used dizzy to do it.  The irginal kept eating points rubbing blocks.

my dizzy?

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Britt,
Believe it or not yours (after I took it apart and lubed it properly with real antique Bosch distributor grease) is what's in the car now and running great. I also now have a spare dizzy all loaded and set to go in the trunk so I can put a Pertronix (used freebie) in yours and run it 'til it quits. If it does, I pop in the other unit from the trunk in 5 minutes even on the side of the highway.

Christopher,
I had exactly those same symptoms with the old dizzy as the dwell increased to 70+ as the points rubbing block wore down. During the course of troubleshooting I also experienced VERY reatrded timing after an initial dizzy install and that too would cause the same symptoms.

It could be FI related, but it doesn't sound like it to me. Check your dwell and timing first. Start with the basics and make sure they're solid.

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post Jan 21 2006, 09:50 PM
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If the car backfired, it probably warped the flap on the AFM.


Only permanent solution is a replacement AFM.



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