Has anyone used/installed one of these ?, Moroso Accumulator |
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Has anyone used/installed one of these ?, Moroso Accumulator |
cary |
Jan 22 2006, 10:09 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I'm thinking of plumbing one of these and a breather catch tank with my 2.0 that I'm rebuilding.
But reading the info it states that it mounts vertically. Where does it get mounted, no to be in the way. I saw it at www.9xauto.com. 914 parts / then oil supply stuff. |
cary |
Jan 22 2006, 10:13 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Heres a picture cut from their site.
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SLITS |
Jan 22 2006, 11:14 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
We used a hydraulic accumulator off a Boeing 707 (I think) from a used aircraft supply (3000 psig rated) and mounted it horizontally. Had to add the shutoff valve and a one way valve in the oil line system...still cheaper than the rest of them.
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Dave_Darling |
Jan 22 2006, 04:01 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,982 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
You can probably get them cheaper from Racer Parts Wholesale. I don't know if it's the same thing or not, but also search on "Accusump". If not the same product, the Accusump is at least the same idea.
--DD |
bd1308 |
Jan 22 2006, 07:27 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
what's this for?
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Dave_Darling |
Jan 22 2006, 09:32 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,982 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
It's for making sure that you have oil pressure, even in long sweeping turns. It accumulates oil when the pressure in the system is high, and pushes that oil into the oil pressure system when the pressure drops. Like when the oil sloshes away from the pickup in the middle of the sump.
--DD |
bd1308 |
Jan 22 2006, 09:36 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
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GTPatrick |
Jan 22 2006, 09:36 PM
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Dave, that is true (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif) but you are also going to have to have a soruce of air pressure in that accumulator, such as nitrogen ( like we use in aircraft) to be on the other side of the diaphragm in the accumulator that will push that oil out into the system when needed. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif)
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redshift |
Jan 22 2006, 09:47 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
It's also for setting up a pre oiling system, so it stages with your ignition, and pumps up as you cranketh!
That would make for a nice addition. M |
gregrobbins |
Jan 22 2006, 09:50 PM
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Member: Team NARP Group: Members Posts: 1,515 Joined: 23-March 04 From: Arizona Member No.: 1,844 Region Association: Southwest Region |
So I am thinking a tuna can would help in cornering with out the hastles of recharging an accumulator and remembering to turn the valve on and off. |
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Dave_Darling |
Jan 22 2006, 11:18 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,982 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Yes and no. The AccuSump can help with cold-starts, as Miles said. The Tuna Can cannot (pun not intended). The AccuSump also does not suffer from the potential road clearance issues that the Tuna Can might. (One of many subjects Jake can get wound up about; he has evidently lost at least one engine to the Tuna Can hitting something, but probably on a rear-engine'd application where it is more exposed.)
The Tuna Can is also only good for about a half-quart of "starvation prevention", if that. (Some of that oil will still slosh out away from the pickup.) The AccuSump holds anywhere from one to five quarts, if I recall correctly. That's a much longer higher-G sweeper or skid-pad. I like the Tuna Can on my car. It has been quite effective for me. It is not the appropriate solution for every case. --DD |
cary |
Jan 23 2006, 08:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The tuna can just scares me. Half of our driving is done on gravel roads. That can hanging down is just a possibilty for disaster.
This Moroso tank is $80. The Accusump starts at about $160. |
cary |
Jan 23 2006, 08:11 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I'm heading to work. But here is the how come, why fores.
http://www.moroso.com/catalog/categorydisp...p?catcode=13600 I didn't read them, but it should have all the info. |
groot |
Jan 23 2006, 08:50 AM
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Dis member Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 17-December 03 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,444 |
Capacity is important....the pictured unit is a 1.5 quart (I think). If you'll be taking long sweepers you'll run it dry.
It is the same as an Accusump. You do not have to pressurize it, unless you want to. I ran my system always open... never had to worry about opening and closing the valve. I just started the engine and didn't worry about pre-pressurizing the oil system (just like every other car out there). I use one on my race car... very important on these cars if they are used on long sweepers, unless you go with a dry sump. I use a Moroso, 3 quart unit. I have data on the oil pressure for every track session I've run and the oil pressure accumulator works very well. Actually, I'm selling it, if you're interested..... I'm going to dry sump (not because the oil pressure accumulator doesn't work, btw). |
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