the light may have gone on, OT: self realization (but car realted) Options

[Gint]

QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Jan 26 2006, 08:33 PM)

Everyone is simply being kind... I voted. You're OLD! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) I missed the baby announcement. Tell you're beauuuutiful wiffy we said hello and congrats (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) I have the 3-car garage. The Porschees are parallel parked in stall #3. Plenty-o-room. When you coming out? Gint... I heard the 'Deliverance' theme play as I read that... what's up with that? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

I'm not parking cars on the lawn and there still isn't a washer or living room couch on the front porch...

[TROJANMAN]

i can honestly say that i own a home with a living room couch on the front porch (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)

[TROJANMAN]

QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Jan 26 2006, 07:33 PM)

Everyone is simply being kind... I voted. You're OLD! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) I missed the baby announcement. Tell you're beauuuutiful wiffy we said hello and congrats (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) When you coming out?

thanks eric,
and i am waiting for you to come out first (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aaron.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

[brant]

QUOTE (TROJANMAN @ Jan 26 2006, 08:55 PM)

QUOTE (Eric_Shea @ Jan 26 2006, 07:33 PM) Everyone is simply being kind... I voted.  You're OLD!   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) I missed the baby announcement.  Tell you're beauuuutiful wiffy we said hello and congrats  :trophy: When you coming out? thanks eric, and i am waiting for you to come out first (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aaron.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

Don't stress Greg....

Erics coming out for the track day in May....... AREN'T YOU ERIC!

[alpha434]

QUOTE (Brian Mifsud @ Jan 25 2006, 10:42 AM)

Tuition at any college today: $20-40K per year Tuition at any college once your kid is college age: $???? Purchase cost of goof off car: $20K??? Maintenance and upgrade cost of goof-off car $20K??? This car is small potatoes.. just accept it.. your kids will have to work their way through college but the'll be better people for it. If they can manage to find a job, and juggle classes and homework, it means they are responsible people, or need to get responsible FAST!! That way, when the kid realizes that dad foolishly spent his retirement on toys, the kid will know how to find the best deal in the discount old folks home he throws you into (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

I hope you get some sort of exotic skin disorder.

Working through college sucks. And I make a decent living. All of my friends are always poor and they have to live with their parents or room with five other kids the same age. And at this age, we all really suck to be around.

[SharonG]

QUOTE (Gint @ Jan 26 2006, 09:08 PM)

Hey!  I resemble that remark.  Should I tell her I wanna go look at another one tomorrow?   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Another car for me?!?! I think it's still my turn... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)

And Greg, if you start worrying about college funds now, you WILL make yourself old! Our kids have to understand it's not all about them... it's all about US!!! (which is what I tell my 19 year old when he forks over part of his college tuition - it's character building, Alpha! yeah, that's it...)

[Eric_Shea]

QUOTE

Erics coming out for the track day in May....... AREN'T YOU ERIC!

If Greg's gonna be there (he says with a slight lisp). (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/grouphug.gif)

[Bruce Allert]

I voted for BORING cuz that's where I'm from, am, was, is, wanna be, will be..... until I win the MegaBucks jackpot of multi billions or


Have another Fat Tiar (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif)

If you can do it gopher it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

.......b (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif)

[Brando]

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 26 2006, 10:42 PM)

QUOTE (Brian Mifsud @ Jan 25 2006, 10:42 AM) Tuition at any college today:  $20-40K per year Tuition at any college once your kid is college age:  $???? Purchase cost of goof off car:  $20K??? Maintenance and upgrade cost of goof-off car $20K??? This car is small potatoes.. just accept it.. your kids will have to work their way through college but the'll be better people for it.  If they can manage to find a job, and juggle classes and homework, it means they are responsible people, or need to get responsible FAST!! That way, when the kid realizes that dad foolishly spent his retirement on toys, the kid will know how to find the best deal in the discount old folks home he throws you into   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I hope you get some sort of exotic skin disorder. Working through college sucks. And I make a decent living. All of my friends are always poor and they have to live with their parents or room with five other kids the same age. And at this age, we all really suck to be around.

I gotta agree with alpha here. Be a real parent and help your kid through college. Don't be a CSOB and make them pay for it all. Especially if they don't qualify for grants because you make more than $25k/year. I know there's more types of tuition assistance out there, but who wants to come out of college with a degree and start out 4 years' salary in debt?

IMHO, only real deutschebags kick their kids through college without any help. It's a completely different story if you truly can't afford it though.

Then again, I'm just bitter.

[Howard]

IMO...

Both sets of my grandparents came here as immigrants. They worked their asses off and helped their kids get started in their businesses or professions. This help contributed to my parents' success.

Then they worked hard and in turn helped me with my education, car(s), and down payment on first house. I worked and helped my kids in the same way to the best of my ability. Spoiled? Sure, you could say that. Each generation has had it easier than the prior one, but each generation seems to do better. My son has set aside $100 per month since his daughter was born. She has about $10,000 in that 'fund' before her 7th birthday, and I hope she has it easier (and does more) than my kids did.

But Alpha, Brando, if my Dad said no to one of my $$ requests and I suggested that he contract a rare disease or was a cheap SOB, he would have kicked me so hard I never would have had children. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif)

[Gint]

QUOTE (Howard @ Jan 27 2006, 11:46 AM)

IMO... Both sets of my grandparents came here as immigrants.  They worked their asses off and helped their kids get started in their businesses or professions.  This help contributed to my parents' success.   Then they worked hard and in turn helped me with my education, car(s), and down payment on first house.  I worked and helped my kids in the same way to the best of my ability.  Spoiled?  Sure, you could say that.  Each generation has had it easier than the prior one, but each generation seems to do better.  My son has set aside $100 per month since his daughter was born.  She has about $10,000 in that 'fund' before her 7th birthday, and I hope she has it easier (and does more) than my kids did. But Alpha, Brando, if my Dad said no to one of my $$ requests and I suggested that he contract a rare disease or was a cheap SOB, he would have kicked me so hard I never would have had children.   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) My old man would have kicked my ass. He bought my first car for $800. That was it.

Our kid is paying a third of his tuition (as will the next two coming along) so he'll appreciate the value if his education. I could pay it all, but I won't.

[TROJANMAN]

my parents, who never went to college, put 3 of us through USC, when they could have easily sent us to the inferior school across town known as Westwood High. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Thanks Mom and Dad (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)

[Howard]

Like that really helps (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif)

[alpha434]

Time spent working is time better spent studying. I've just about finished my two years at junior college. I've had a night job since the day I turned eighteen, which means That I was at work from 3 in the afternoon to 2 in the morning and back at school at 7:30. My grades actually went up for a while, but now I'm seriously tired. I'm having serious doubts on whether I can get myself through CSM. Its unreasonable.

[Howard]

Chris, you will have to be the one that starts your family dynasty. Go for it!

[Porcharu]

QUOTE (alpha434 @ Jan 26 2006, 10:42 PM)

Working through college sucks. And I make a decent living. All of my friends are always poor and they have to live with their parents or room with five other kids the same age. And at this age, we all really suck to be around.

Your SUPPOSED to be poor in college, it greatly improves your ingenuity - creativity and helps establish a budget. Everything I learned in college that means anything in real life was learned outside of the classroom - alot of it at work. You learn simple things like showing up for work when you say you will be there is just as important as how good you are.
Just ask a manager what the biggest problem they have with employees especially young ones. It's always the same - people not showing up.

[Brando]

QUOTE (srbliss @ Jan 28 2006, 12:12 PM)

Your SUPPOSED to be poor in college, it greatly improves your ingenuity - creativity and helps establish a budget. Everything I learned in college that means anything in real life was learned outside of the classroom - alot of it at work. You learn simple things like showing up for work when you say you will be there is just as important as how good you are. Just ask a manager what the biggest problem they have with employees especially young ones. It's always the same - people not showing up.

Supposed to be poor in college? I'm going to call bullshit here. If my parents would have offered some help (note: I had to pay $1200/quarter on a barely-above minimum wage job by myself) for tuition when I first went to a cal state I would have my bachelor's in computer engineering by now. I didn't have credit for an academic loan, parents wouldn't cosign, they make too much for me to qualify for any sort of scholarship or gov. assistance.

If you make more than $50,000 a year and have a kid -- don't be stingy, save for their future. I'm not saying pay their whole way, I'm saying if you help pay for books or half a quarter it'll mean the world to them. Why would you want to burden your child with thousands of dollars of debt while they struggle to get an education when you could have made it easier for them to get their degree? We're not all unapprecieative bastards, you know.

[Porcharu]

QUOTE (Brando @ Jan 28 2006, 12:53 PM)

Supposed to be poor in college? I'm going to call bullshit here. If my parents would have offered some help (note: I had to pay $1200/quarter on a barely-above minimum wage job by myself) for tuition when I first went to a cal state I would have my bachelor's in computer engineering by now. I didn't have credit for an academic loan, parents wouldn't cosign, they make too much for me to qualify for any sort of scholarship or gov. assistance. If you make more than $50,000 a year and have a kid -- don't be stingy, save for their future. I'm not saying pay their whole way, I'm saying if you help pay for books or half a quarter it'll mean the world to them. Why would you want to burden your child with thousands of dollars of debt while they struggle to get an education when you could have made it easier for them to get their degree? We're not all unapprecieative bastards, you know.

Yes - I meant that. I only got out 9 years ago so it's pretty fresh in my mind. I was a screw off while on the folks dime. I got real serious after I had to pay my way. Even better would be taking off several years and work at some crappy job so you know why you want to go to school (or not.)
And $50K isn't enough money for one person to live in poverty in the bay area, remember the government takes half your check before you get it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif)

[Porcharu]

I thought I needed to clear something up before I sound like an A-hole (might be to late.) My definition of poor means just enough to get by on if your frugal. No off campus house with a big screen tv and a hot tub for example (one of my friends had this in school.) Going to college should not be fun it should be four years of hard work that you are glad to be done with. It just gets better after entering the real world - don't put it off. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[alpha434]

Yeah. Sorry guys. Thats a tough subject for me. You're all right to a point. It IS character building and makes real life much better in contrast. But... It would be the best idea to have money saved for your kid. Maybe college just turns out to be too much for them plus work. I see a lot of people drop out for that reason. But making them pay a third or some really reasonable amount would be fair. As long as you can be there to help them when they're getting their a$$ kicked with the workload.


And thanks for the support, Howard. I'm not the only one here whos done it though. Most all of us have felt my way at one point for one reason or another. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

And I DID manage to buy my second porsche. That's something, I guess. Oh. But at the cost of furniture in my apartment. An investment well worth it.