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lapuwali
post Feb 11 2006, 07:25 PM
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I just had a pair of Germans come to look at the '67 912 I have for sale. They paid a lot of attention to the 6x15 Fuchs on the car, which weren't originally sold on the 912, only the 911. One of them noted:

"Ze vheels, zey are not legal for ze car..."

I thought this was just an English problem, so I agreed that they weren't original, and not originally equipped, and that I had a set of steel wheels for the car, too.

Later,

"You know, ve cahn't register ze car wiz zeez vheels..."

A light bulb went on..."Maybe not in Germany, but there's no problem here..."

Clearly, they were just visiting, and looking to buy a cheap 911 or 912 to take back to Germany. The TUV inspectors (how do I do the umlaut?) would reject the car because the car wasn't originally sold with 6x15 wheels, only 4.5x15 and 5.5x15. Yow!

No bling, bling in the Fatherland...

Anyway, they decided they weren't interested, and were really looking for a 911.

Fortunately, I think I sold the car earlier today to some other guy. We'll find out on Monday if he shows up with money.
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post Feb 11 2006, 08:04 PM
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I think he's gonna.


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post Feb 11 2006, 10:05 PM
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Hope so.

A different guy made an offer today, and he is ALSO intending to take it to Germany. He'll be taking the "legal" steel wheels I have so the TUV will let him register it.
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post Feb 12 2006, 12:57 AM
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well, I'm Austrian not German, but I know most of the car licencing laws from my neighbours

be sure that there's no problem to get a 912 with 6x15 street legal in Germany
I suggest that these german guys just tried to lower the prize with this trick

in Austria it *is* a problem to get a historic car street legal with any stuff that wasn't originally available
but in Germany it's even street legal to get a teener on the road with 7 and 8x15 or 6x16 or even a -4 with 3.2 -6

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post Feb 12 2006, 01:15 AM
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how do they get away with those german look/cup car style superbeetles? tricked out t-3s. how the hell do the RUF cars get legal for the street. when i was stationed in germany i owned a tanus van for awhile. it was licenced, and considered road worthy when i bought it from a german national. i failed the inspection 3 times and i was (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) . then i got the tip. a 1/2 gallon jug of jim beam on the floor in a bag and there was no problem.

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post Feb 12 2006, 08:43 AM
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weird story...
I'm not TüV expert, but AFAIK, TüV will allow them if the wheels fit inside the wheelwells and don't rub anywhere on the body
15 x 6 is not exaclty a "wild" wheel combo...
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post Feb 12 2006, 08:52 AM
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post Feb 12 2006, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (Gustl @ Feb 11 2006, 10:57 PM)
well, I'm Austrian not German, but I know most of the car licencing laws from my neighbours

be sure that there's no problem to get a 912 with 6x15 street legal in Germany
I suggest that these german guys just tried to lower the prize with this trick

in Austria it *is* a problem to get a historic car street legal with any stuff that wasn't originally available
but in Germany it's even street legal to get a teener on the road with 7 and 8x15 or 6x16 or even a -4 with 3.2 -6

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Y'know, it's possible they were Austrian. They spoke German, so I assumed they were German. They never really said much about themselves, and mostly chatted back and forth with each other in German. Honestly, the guys were assholes, but I don't know if they were German assholes or Austrian assholes. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

They nitpicked everything. The first thing one guy said ws "why is there so much oil dripping off the engine?" There's no more oil on the engine than there is on most 40 year old cars that are driven daily, and it leaks perhaps a dime-sized (about 30mm) spot every few days. Indeed, the guy that's actually buying the car was impressed at how CLEAN the engine was.

Given Andy's description of the German licensing laws, it's hard to imagine the Austrians are even more strict...
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post Feb 12 2006, 10:48 AM
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So three guys from Europe go car hunting in California. Two of them go look at a car and tell the owner that a bunch of things are wrong with it. The third guy comes along later and offers him some $$ He throws in some extras to make the deal right...................

I think I'd drive over to his hotel and have a beer with him and his buddys (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 12 2006, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (lapuwali @ Feb 12 2006, 05:40 PM)
Given Andy's description of the German licensing laws, it's hard to imagine the Austrians are even more strict...

Austrian and German licensing laws concerning historic cars are like day and night
I'd say more than 50% of all street legal historic cars in Germany won't pass the Austrian laws
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post Feb 12 2006, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (lapuwali @ Feb 11 2006, 05:25 PM)
....The TUV inspectors (how do I do the umlaut?) .....

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Hold down the ALT key and type 154, then release.
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post Feb 12 2006, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE (lapuwali @ Feb 12 2006, 10:40 AM)
and it leaks perhaps a dime-sized (about 30mm) spot every few days.

ya'll have some HUGE dimes there...the only dimes THAT size *HERE* cost $40-60 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smoke.gif)

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post Feb 12 2006, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE (GWN7 @ Feb 12 2006, 08:48 AM)
So three guys from Europe go car hunting in California. Two of them go look at a car and tell the owner that a bunch of things are wrong with it. The third guy comes along later and offers him some $$ He throws in some extras to make the deal right...................

I think I'd drive over to his hotel and have a beer with him and his buddys (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Nice theory, but... The guy that's buying it came first, and is a total SoCal surfer dude type. He's taking it to Germany because his girlfriend is German, and it's for her birthday.

And the buyer is taking the steel wheels INSTEAD of the Fuchs on the car now, not in addition to.
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post Feb 12 2006, 01:54 PM
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Hold down the ALT key and type 154, then release.



So that's how you do the umlaut thingy!

TuV

Oh fuch, it didn't work.
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post Feb 12 2006, 02:57 PM
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On Mac's it's option-u then press u.

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post Feb 12 2006, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (lapuwali @ Feb 12 2006, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE (GWN7 @ Feb 12 2006, 08:48 AM)
So three guys from Europe go car hunting in California. Two of them go look at a car and tell the owner that a bunch of things are wrong with it. The third guy comes along later and offers him some $$ He throws in some extras to make the deal right...................

I think I'd drive over to his hotel and have a beer with him and his buddys   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)   (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Nice theory, but... The guy that's buying it came first, and is a total SoCal surfer dude type. He's taking it to Germany because his girlfriend is German, and it's for her birthday.

And the buyer is taking the steel wheels INSTEAD of the Fuchs on the car now, not in addition to.

Dam, I thought I had a winner (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

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post Feb 12 2006, 05:27 PM
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post Feb 12 2006, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (mikey @ Feb 12 2006, 11:54 AM)
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Hold down the ALT key and type 154, then release.



So that's how you do the umlaut thingy!
TuV
Oh fuch, it didn't work.

numbers *have* to be typed on the numeric keypad ...

Ü = ALT + 0220
ü = ALT + 0252
Ä = ALT + 0196
ä = ALT + 0228
Ö = ALT + 0214
ö = ALT + 0246
ß = ALT + 0223


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post Feb 12 2006, 10:43 PM
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numbers *have* to be typed on the numeric keypad ...

Ü = ALT + 0220
ü = ALT + 0252
Ä = ALT + 0196
ä = ALT + 0228
Ö = ALT + 0214
ö = ALT + 0246
ß = ALT + 0223


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I wasn't using the number pad.

Thanks Sir Andy!!!
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We got the three missing in the alphabet! abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzåäö
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Ä = ALT + 0196
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