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Finally got a "real" header...now a few questions |
Mueller |
Feb 18 2003, 03:55 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Okay, where do I get the springs that connect the collector to the primary tubes?
Do I need to worry about the union at the primary tubes and the collector? I looks like it would be a source of leakage and noise. |
Mark Henry |
Feb 18 2003, 04:04 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Which system is that?
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Mueller |
Feb 18 2003, 06:03 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Mark,
It's from European Motorworks, it supposed to be a step up over the Kerry Hunter units and a little bit below the CFR headers...who knows?? KH: 350 EM: 300 CFR: 1200 For the cost I couldn't pass it up...I think they are normally 100+ bucks more, but they had been in the middle of moving to a new location and needed to get rid of it. Paragon sells them for 425 or 475 |
Mark Henry |
Feb 18 2003, 06:49 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Try a muffler shop.
Some OEM systems use springs, I bet you will have a rice part on your teen! LOL! RICE (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) |
swood |
Feb 18 2003, 08:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,839 Joined: 6-February 03 From: Strong Beach Member No.: 251 Region Association: None |
Hey Mike,
Is that European Motorworks down here in Hawthorne? |
campbellcj |
Feb 18 2003, 10:09 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,545 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California |
I'm missing 1 spring (out of 4) too. Lemme know if you find a cheapie online source for them. I haven't seen them on Jegs, Summit, CB, etc.
Even with all 4, I think the "press fit" collectors are probably pretty leaky. Kind of a bizzare design, but what do I know. You never see 911 or even Chebby headers with a separate collector, eh? Your muffler setup looks pretty cool. It may just be an optical illusion, but it looks similar to the one my car's PO had fabbed up, but the tubes seem longer (?). It looks like the tail pipe would stick way out from the car...The J/L bend probably is inwards farther than mine was. |
ChrisFoley |
Feb 18 2003, 10:29 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Just from that picture I would say it is a small step up from the KHH. The primaries are shorter; also the secondary is longer, with room for a decent muffler.
On the other hand, it looks like you could run into ground clearance issues, and it doesn't look like there's room for a Tuna can under the sump. |
Mueller |
Feb 18 2003, 10:43 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
You get what you pay's for (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The quality is okay...the stub pipes don't bolt directly to the flanges on the primary tubes so I'll have to make the holes oblong to get it to fit.... At the union for the collector and secondary pipe, one of the welds is too close to a thru hole so that the nut or washer will not lay flat.... No intructions...but I guess that is payback for not sending JP instructions for his bearings (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) |
Zeke |
Feb 18 2003, 11:10 PM
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Never left, but not right.... Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 26-January 03 From: Long Beach CA Member No.: 197 Region Association: None |
Most racing kart shops have the exhaust springs. One of the mail order shops is Comet Kart Sales which is the one owned by Mark Dismore of the IRL, I think. I used to have a bunch, but they don't last forever. Let me know if you don't find them easily and I'll make some calls to my old haunts (kart shops) and get the skinny on the wholesaler. They should come in half inch increments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
http://www.cometkartsales.com/store/p%26h/springs.htm |
campbellcj |
Feb 19 2003, 01:35 AM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,545 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California |
Chris "Farley" (LOL) called it; the primary tubes are very short i.e. the collector is way back under the car.
I have what I think is an older (1998 vintage) Eurorace setup, which was put on by the PO. Seems to be pretty good quality, although I do not really have anything to compare it to. It does use the stub tubes that bolt right up to the heads. The primaries are longer, i.e. my muffler is bolted up almost directly behind the collector, just a super short flange and stub tube there. Milt - Thanks for the link to the springs. I wonder if those guys would mind if I placed a $0.70 order? (or even $6.80 if I get 4 of the "gold" springs). |
Zeke |
Feb 19 2003, 09:12 PM
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Never left, but not right.... Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 26-January 03 From: Long Beach CA Member No.: 197 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(campbellcj @ Feb 18 2003, 11:35 PM) Chris "Farley" (LOL) called it; the primary tubes are very short i.e. the collector is way back under the car. I have what I think is an older (1998 vintage) Eurorace setup, which was put on by the PO. Seems to be pretty good quality, although I do not really have anything to compare it to. It does use the stub tubes that bolt right up to the heads. The primaries are longer, i.e. my muffler is bolted up almost directly behind the collector, just a super short flange and stub tube there. Milt - Thanks for the link to the springs. I wonder if those guys would mind if I placed a $0.70 order? (or even $6.80 if I get 4 of the "gold" springs). $0.70, LOL! Chris, check out kart shops in the Valley. Used to be Pitts (Chuck Pittenger), Mike Manning (former world champion), Jim Hall II in Ventura, etc. It's been so long since I've seen these guys, I don't know who's who any more. Lots a kart shops around. In fact, I'm going to use a kart head temp guage, or two (they had duals for the older dual engine karts). |
Zeke |
Feb 27 2003, 08:34 PM
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Never left, but not right.... Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 26-January 03 From: Long Beach CA Member No.: 197 Region Association: None |
Ok, after fighting all damn day under the car installing my billet clutch pulley with the European headers already installed, why do they and Kerry Hunter go over to the passenger side when there are no cables on the driver's side? Starter motor? Please don't tell me it's because of the little cut out in the valance. That's for sure where form doesn't follow function.
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