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| jrcui |
 Feb 15 2006, 05:56 PM
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Vinny  Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 5-November 04 From: beaverton, or Member No.: 3,062  |
Thinking about future projects after fixing the hell hole and oil leak. Would like to replace muffler/exhaust set- up on my stock '75 2.0 FI but have no idea what the best set-up would be.
Calling the gurus to provide insight.... Thanks, Vince (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chatsmiley.gif) |
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| jrcui |
Feb 15 2006, 06:02 PM
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Vinny Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 5-November 04 From: beaverton, or Member No.: 3,062 |
And I know I'm an idiot... I should have done a search first before asking this again...
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| Allan |
Feb 15 2006, 06:12 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
Early SS H/E's with a Bursch muffler. |
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| tod914 |
Feb 15 2006, 06:18 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
When I was searching sometime ago, Triad coupled with 73-74 SS Heat Exchangers seemed well recieved. Just going through some threads Tangerine offers a nice performance increase. I believe that's more of a track set up though. I ended up with a bursch street mufler with my stock 75 exchangers. Didn't really notice any performance improvements. Sounds nicer than stock, but has poor quality paint and that burns off. I believe the Dansk would be the closest to OEM (73-74) set up. You'll gain a couple pony's by switching over to the eariler setup.
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 15 2006, 09:41 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
bursch blows...
my favorite setup was SSI 2L heat exchangers, and the dual exit Triad exhaust.... AA now i have a 'eurorace' header. no heat (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| EdwardBlume |
Feb 15 2006, 09:45 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California 
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AA - what about Bursch blows and makes Triad better? Just curious.
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 15 2006, 09:48 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
quality. bursch flanges are super thin, and not a flat finish. (albeit the crush gasket alleviates most of the concern). within 20 minutes, the NEW bursch had turned into a paintless smoking muffler..... wasnt impressed. now... the triad. THICK flanges. dead straight. nice welds everywhere. a great design. sounds great, and best of all, they have a coating that does not turn colors or burn off. |
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| Allan |
Feb 15 2006, 09:52 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
I guess it depends on how much money you want to spend. I was running early h/e's and a Sebring ($129.00) on my '75 and was happy with the combo.
Sounded good and made it much faster than Aarons car. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif) |
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| ChrisFoley |
Feb 16 2006, 06:14 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,921 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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The Tangerine EVO header with my Stage II Silencer is intended specifically for street cars, and I can provide heat as well. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) If you are looking for the best performance on any size T4 engine in your 914 the Tangerine is the exhaust system to have, assuming cost is a secondary factor in your decision making process. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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| Joe Ricard |
Feb 16 2006, 06:21 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pray.gif) Tangerine
Probably the best performance mod I have done to my car. However the Mallory distributor was done at the same time so the HP Torque improvements only complimented each other. Yea it is faster....... way faster. I got the phase 9 silencer getting used to it. my nieghbors can eat (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/stromberg.gif) or move. |
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| ChrisFoley |
Feb 16 2006, 08:18 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,921 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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Thanks Joe, Since you have already made a long trip with the new setup I would appreciate some subjective impressions of the loudness. Did it make you physically uncomfortable after a while? Did you have ringing ears after you got out of the car? If so, for how long? Also, what was your impression of the sound while watching your son on the A/X course? Was there a particular RPM where the sound was noticably louder? (I tried your A/X video link to get a listen but it didn't work for me.) My understanding of what the Stage I silencer does is that it significantly cuts the high frequencies (that sound meters react to) but not the lows. I think that means the sound will carry and you will really feel it, but it shouldn't make you "sick" or give you the ringing ear problem (I hope). I once drove a Camaro race car with NO muffler for over 2 hours straight on the highway. My ears and head hurt for hours afterwards. My first 914 street car had a Thunderbird muffler with SS H/E's on a stock 1.7L. That setup made my ears ring after only a short time behind the wheel. On my F Production race car the Stage I silencer doesn't seem loud at all. In fact I wish more of my fellow competitors would cut their sound to a similar level. |
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| VaccaRabite |
Feb 16 2006, 08:25 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,437 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Are there any numbers for 2.0s with Bursch vs 2.0 with Triad (both with stainless heat exchangers?
I am also converting my 76 to SSI and was going to drop in a new Bursch. Zach |
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| Tom |
Feb 16 2006, 03:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
I am in the process of converting my 76 2.0 to SS heat exchangers and a Traid. Found a pair of early 1.7 SS 's and Dave at Triad is converting them to later 2.0 style so his muffler system will work. I like the looks and quality of his muffler and he is only 55 miles from me.
Tom |
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| Mueller |
Feb 16 2006, 03:26 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I've never seen any published data stating the Triad gains power over stock or even a Bursch....I have read that the sound of the Triad is superior to the others as far as street H/E w/mufflers go.... 1 very positive thing about the Triads is that it is built and sold by someone willing to help support the 914 community... |
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| blitZ |
Feb 16 2006, 03:48 PM
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Beer please... Group: Members Posts: 2,223 Joined: 31-August 05 From: Lawrenceville, GA Member No.: 4,719 Region Association: South East States |
I'm doing the same thing, replacing the late (75/76) demonic exhaust with SSI HEs and the Triad. Attached image(s) 
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| Aaron Cox |
Feb 16 2006, 03:49 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
you will LOVE the triad.....
im keeping mine for my next car |
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| brer |
Feb 16 2006, 03:54 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,555 Joined: 10-March 05 From: san diego Member No.: 3,736 Region Association: None |
thats what i got. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) its still in the box though (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) |
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