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grantsfo
post Mar 6 2006, 09:44 PM
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I'm wanting to put a wider tire on m 8" wheels. I have clearance on the outside of the fenders, but need more on the inside to fit a bigger tire.

A have a couple questions that I cant seem to answer through searches here.

First, who and the hell makes spacers for four lug now? Names, numbers and websites please.

Second, how wide can I go and still be safe for track/AX driving?
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post Mar 6 2006, 09:58 PM
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guy on ebay will make you 4 lug spacers or adapters that are hubcentric.
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post Mar 6 2006, 10:03 PM
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You keep hoppin up that teener with stickier / bigger tires you might wanna go with Studs from ARP 14mm 1.50 thread pitch

Mine are long enough to mount any of the factory alloys using close alloy lug nuts and then use open steel lugs for the race wheels. The piece of mind is priceless and studs are sooooo much easier to put wheels on.
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QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Mar 6 2006, 07:58 PM)
guy on ebay will make you 4 lug spacers or adapters that are hubcentric.

Here's a link to one of his eBay auctions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-Whe...QrdZ1QQtcZphoto

Made from 6061T6 aluminum up to 2 inches thick
however you want them. Price is $140 for a set of four.
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How thick?

If its like 1/4 in then you could get universal spacers and put longer studs in...

(and I realize that the 914 studs are screw in... but who says you cant drill and press long studs? or even buy some long stud bolts for it?)
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I had the same issue.

DO NOT use screw in studs if you decide to AX the car. They just are plain old not safe. I ordered studs from this guy 14mm studs in various lengths and paid a local machine shop $35 to drill out the hubs and rotors and press the studs in.

I then got these spacers 1 inch spacers and I now have plenty of room on the inside. You can also get 1/4 inch spacers at, of all places, Pep Boys and use them in conjunction with the studs. For the rears I wish I had bought the 100mm studs. I got the 80s and with the thickness of the brake rotor and the thickness of the wheel itself, I just barely have enough stud thread for full engagement, but just barely.

Neither would I use any spacer larger than the 1/4 inch with lug bolts. I have no empirical evidence of my own, but I have been told it isn't safe. I'm willing to go with that.
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QUOTE (hmeeder @ Mar 6 2006, 09:25 PM)
I had the same issue.

DO NOT use screw in studs if you decide to AX the car. They just are plain old not safe. I ordered studs from this guy 14mm studs in various lengths and paid a local machine shop $35 to drill out the hubs and rotors and press the studs in.

I then got these spacers 1 inch spacers and I now have plenty of room on the inside. You can also get 1/4 inch spacers at, of all places, Pep Boys and use them in conjunction with the studs. For the rears I wish I had bought the 100mm studs. I got the 80s and with the thickness of the brake rotor and the thickness of the wheel itself, I just barely have enough stud thread for full engagement, but just barely.

Neither would I use any spacer larger than the 1/4 inch with lug bolts. I have no empirical evidence of my own, but I have been told it isn't safe. I'm willing to go with that.

herb,

lemme know if you got 100 studs.. ill take the 80's
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I haven't got the 100s. If I get them, I will definitely keep you in mind.

Got a couple of other things in my plate first! (tranny rebuild.)
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So to do it right I need to have hubs drilled and buy studs. Ack! I'm probably better off just buying another set of wheels with proper offset.
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You like holding the wheel while you tighten the bolts?

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Grant, just trade me my diamond steelies 4.5" backspace for your Kiezers 5" backspace. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) I'll cover shipping (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE (hmeeder @ Mar 6 2006, 09:25 PM)
I had the same issue.

DO NOT use screw in studs if you decide to AX the car. They just are plain old not safe. I ordered studs from this guy 14mm studs in various lengths and paid a local machine shop $35 to drill out the hubs and rotors and press the studs in.

I then got these spacers 1 inch spacers and I now have plenty of room on the inside. You can also get 1/4 inch spacers at, of all places, Pep Boys and use them in conjunction with the studs. For the rears I wish I had bought the 100mm studs. I got the 80s and with the thickness of the brake rotor and the thickness of the wheel itself, I just barely have enough stud thread for full engagement, but just barely.

Neither would I use any spacer larger than the 1/4 inch with lug bolts. I have no empirical evidence of my own, but I have been told it isn't safe. I'm willing to go with that.

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would people get some facts straight before posting BS "advice" like that (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

There is nothing wrong with the CORRECT type of screw-in studs.....For use with the billet hubs we recommend BBS Racing* screw-in studs, these are the proper material and heat treating to meet or exceed the OEM wheel bolts, these are not the cheap studs sold by CB Performance or "bug" shops.

In fact screw-in studs can better than the OEM bolt method from a mechanical point of view, the reason they have gotten a bad rap is due to the cheap @ss studs sold to the VW bug guys and due to improper installation.

*BBS Racing, in case you have not heard of this "small" company (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Grant, I recommend hubcentric spacers (at least for the front, kinda hard to do on the back and not as much of an issue), those shown in the link above scare me.....I don't have the time to make another set right now, but if you can find one of the places on eBay or wherever that can make you a set and need prints, let me know and I'll send you a drawing to pass on them.

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post Mar 7 2006, 07:31 AM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Mar 7 2006, 04:40 AM)
QUOTE (hmeeder @ Mar 6 2006, 09:25 PM)
I had the same issue.

DO NOT use screw in studs if you decide to AX the car.  They just are plain old not safe.  I ordered studs from this guy 14mm studs in various lengths and paid a local machine shop $35 to drill out the hubs and rotors and press the studs in.

I then got these spacers 1 inch spacers and I now have plenty of room on the inside.  You can also get 1/4 inch spacers at, of all places, Pep Boys and use them in conjunction with the studs.  For the rears I wish I had bought the 100mm studs.  I got the 80s and with the thickness of the brake rotor and the thickness of the wheel itself, I just barely have enough stud thread for full engagement, but just barely.

Neither would I use any spacer larger than the 1/4 inch with lug bolts.  I have no empirical evidence of my own, but I have been told it isn't safe.  I'm willing to go with that.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bs.gif)

would people get some facts straight before posting BS "advice" like that (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)

There is nothing wrong with the CORRECT type of screw-in studs.....For use with the billet hubs we recommend BBS Racing* screw-in studs, these are the proper material and heat treating to meet or exceed the OEM wheel bolts, these are not the cheap studs sold by CB Performance or "bug" shops.

In fact screw-in studs can better than the OEM bolt method from a mechanical point of view, the reason they have gotten a bad rap is due to the cheap @ss studs sold to the VW bug guys and due to improper installation.

*BBS Racing, in case you have not heard of this "small" company (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

Grant, I recommend hubcentric spacers (at least for the front, kinda hard to do on the back and not as much of an issue), those shown in the link above scare me.....I don't have the time to make another set right now, but if you can find one of the places on eBay or wherever that can make you a set and need prints, let me know and I'll send you a drawing to pass on them.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-2-1110341185.jpg)

Thanks! I appreciate your input. I'll let you know if I need drawings.
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