extreme cool find in Germany, unfortunately not by me :-) Options

[nein14]

That GT resides in Pa., it belongs to Steve from Air Cooled Racing.

You can see it at the Hershey Swap Meet in April it is always there, he does a lot of Vintage Racing with it.

Very Cool in person!!!!!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/aktion035.gif)

[michel richard]

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 21 2006, 05:52 AM)

Michael, I have looked a bit into these bumper colors...using the Collier car as a guide and what we decided on was just pick a color that looks right against the the black half and against the color of your car. Mine was done in yellow and there were different shades of yellow that did not look right with the signal orange. It definately had to be a flat. Although someone else may have some input on this... Peter

You mean the best way is simply to eyeball it ? And both the black and the secondary color on the bumper should be flat ?

[davep]

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 21 2006, 05:52 AM)

I have looked a bit into these bumper colors...using the Collier car as a guide and what we decided on was just pick a color that looks right against the the black half and against the color of your car. Mine was done in yellow and there were different shades of yellow that did not look right with the signal orange. It definately had to be a flat.

The colours were chosen to quickly identify which team car was pitting at a significant distance. At night a 'dayglo' colour would stand out much better. Now I don't know that any car ever used a 'dayglo' paint in this application.

Based on the presumption that it was used to differentiate team cars that had otherwise identical colour schemes and decals there is no great need to do it to every replica GT. It is nice eye candy for sure, and I don't say not to do it.

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Gustl @ Mar 21 2006, 08:01 AM)

I'd say, if they painted it green at MM and re-tagged it, the tag shouldn't have green paint on it

i think it was repainted more than once since MM originally got the car ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy

[Gustl]

today I got the info, that they have the COA and it says "Condagrün"
I asked him to send me a scan - I hope he will do so

QUOTE

i think it was repainted more than once since MM originally got the car ...

but you know that the car was stored away in the underfloor garage of the MM Museum in 1977 and stayed there untouched till Nov 2005?

I don't think that the car was repainted very often in just 7 years, always belonged to MM and never raced ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) Gustl

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Gustl @ Mar 27 2006, 04:10 AM)

today I got the info, that they have the COA and it says "Condagrün" I asked him to send me a scan - I hope he will do so

that would be cool!

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) Andy

[ChicagoPete]

Wolfgang,
See if you can get a price from him as well??

What do you know about the cars they used for practice/thrashed on the Targa Florio, are they still around, anyone own these? Any documentation of these cars?

Would seem that those cars would be historically significant...almost as important as the 914/6's that were used in the celebrity race at Ontario?

Have never seen a 914/6 come for sale represented as either of these?

Peter

[davep]

A significant 914/6 with good racing history would go for about $100,000 and some would be double that.

[Gustl]

QUOTE (ChicagoPete @ Mar 28 2006, 12:50 AM)

What do you know about the cars they used for practice/thrashed on the Targa Florio, are they still around, anyone own these?  Any documentation of these cars?

Targa Florio '70 practice cars:

914/39 914.0.43.0705 [S - U 3908] signalorange => Peter Gregg, USA => Brumos, USA
914/40 914.0.43.0709 [S - U 3909] signalorange => used for Monte Carlo '71 practice => ???


Targa Florio '71 practice cars:

914/50 914.0.43.2542 [S - W 1948] signalorange => used for Monte Carlo '71 practice & Marathon d.l. Route '70 RACE CAR #2 => Miles Collier Collection, USA
914/51 914.0.43.2543 [S - W 1949] signalorange => used for Monte Carlo '71 practice & Marathon d.l. Route '70 RACE CAR #3 => ???

Targa Florio '71 pre-practice cars:

914/56 914.1.43.0139 [S - Y 7714] signalorange => Monte Carlo '71 RACE CAR #3 => destroyed by factory (15. Sept 1972)
914/57 914.1.43.0140 [S - Y 7715] signalorange => Monte Carlo '71 RACE CAR #17 => ONS Safety Car
914/58 914.1.43.0141 [S - Y 7716] signalorange => Monte Carlo '71 RACE CAR #1 => perfectyl restored and for sale now (about EUR 250,000)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Teknon]

That's my rear bumper, I never saw another one on another car before. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wub.gif)

[ChicagoPete]

Wolfgang,

That is great information that I never knew. I had no idea that the practice cars all saw life again as factory cars for the Monte and the Marathon.

If I remember correctly though, the practice cars were not outfitted as GT's? Don't recall seeing pictures of the in practice with flares or such? That is not to say the engines were not upgraded by the factory. I could only assume the engines must have been worked on...what would be the point of practice without the horsepower of the 906 motor? Only reconnoissance?

Perhaps these cars were first outfitted similarly to the MM car pictured at the start of this thread?

[Gustl]

Peter,
there are two completely different things:

1) the condagreen standard body 914-6
it was ordered by MM as a standard 914-6 for Gerd Quist - he used this car only to get to the circuit on legal streets - it got beefed up from MM, because they had all the experience from preparing the GTs, which Gerd Quist raced
so, this car has hardly anything to do with a factory 914-6 GT, but for sure it's a unique piece of history, IMHO

2) the factory GTs - 13 cars were made
these cars started life as GTs
they were used for various purposes like testing, tuning, practicing, racing, ...
here is a picture of 3 factory GTs testing in the "Alpes de haute Provence" in Dec 1970 for the Monte Carlo '71
check that the last car isn't one of the Monte race cars, but 914.0.43.0709 (the practice car) - and my suggestion is, that the other two cars are #2 and #3 from the '70 Marathon de la Route

(IMG:http://www.914-6-club.de/fotis/fotodesmonats/2006/media/kw-06-01_01.jpg)

here's another pic with these 3 GTs during the same session, at the tyre-test-station

(IMG:http://www.914-6-club.de/fotis/fotodesmonats/2006/media/kw-06-02_01.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif) Gustl

[ChicagoPete]

Frrom the 2nd picture they look to be Marathon cars...BUT, in the first picture and in the inset(small) pictures looks like both of the front two cars are wearing hood mounted Cibie's? Certainly looks like they are all wearing the extra lights in the small picture? Looks like there are bright spots next to the pop up headlamps?

Did the Marathon cars ever have the Cibie's mounted on the hood? I know they had the hood mounted versions cut and installed in the bumper along with 45's mounted outboard on the bumper.

Am I seeing these correctly?

[Gustl]

I agree that all 3 cars have hood mounted Cibies
I'd say it's clearly visible at the "drift scenery" - hardly to tell from the "tyre test scenery"

AFAIK the Marathon cars didn't wear hood mounted Cibies - at least at "their race"
but keep in mind that the Rallye Monte Carlo 1971 took place half a year later and that these cars were used as practice cars then - it would be no problem to mount a set of Cibies on the hoods, or to use the hoods from the Monte race cars with the Cibies on 'em

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wavey.gif) Gustl

[John Se]

QUOTE (Rrrockhound @ Mar 18 2006, 04:37 PM)

QUOTE (craig downs @ Mar 18 2006, 04:26 AM) I don't understand why 914's are labled ugly by so many people. I wish somebody like an art student or a designer would do an analysis of the 914's styling to explain why it's NOT ugly. Kinda like those features Motor Trend does on certain new cars where they point out every little design element and explain why it works.

because it has balance-symmetry

[ChicagoPete]

This is such a great history lesson into old race cars and the many lives they lead. Used and reused for so different purposes. Makes modern race cars look ridiculously sterile!

IMO the last real good example of something like that was the TWR Porsche Spyder that won LeMans when the GT1's first came on the scene.

[Gustl]

Frrom the 2nd picture they look to be Marathon cars...BUT, in the first picture and in the inset(small) pictures looks like both of the front two cars are wearing hood mounted Cibie's? Certainly looks like they are all wearing the extra lights in the small picture? Looks like there are bright spots next to the pop up headlamps?

Did the Marathon cars ever have the Cibie's mounted on the hood? I know they had the hood mounted versions cut and installed in the bumper along with 45's mounted outboard on the bumper.

Am I seeing these correctly?

Pete, I've found this picture today
it's out from a german car magazine from April 1971, showing 914.0.43.2542 & .2543 practicing for the '71 Monte

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Gustl]

today I got the info, that they have the COA and it says "Condagrün"
I asked him to send me a scan - I hope he will do so

that would be cool!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Andy

it took "a little time", but finally I got it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)

unfortunately the main numbers are censored (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[Gustl]

I also have some additional pics

[nein14]

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Frrom the 2nd picture they look to be Marathon cars...BUT, in the first picture and in the inset(small) pictures looks like both of the front two cars are wearing hood mounted Cibie's? Certainly looks like they are all wearing the extra lights in the small picture? Looks like there are bright spots next to the pop up headlamps?

Did the Marathon cars ever have the Cibie's mounted on the hood? I know they had the hood mounted versions cut and installed in the bumper along with 45's mounted outboard on the bumper.

Am I seeing these correctly?
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Pete, I've found this picture today
it's out from a german car magazine from April 1971, showing 914.0.43.2542 & .2543 practicing for the '71 Monte

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

I've got the same pic that I got on German Ebay that I framed and have hanging in my garage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)