A-1 Cardone Dizzy Questions |
|
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way. Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. |
|
A-1 Cardone Dizzy Questions |
RustyWa |
Sep 15 2003, 10:44 PM
Post
#1
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
Ok, just picked up my refurbed distributer from the FLAPS. I've got a question on the part number that is imprinted on the distributer. I have a '75 2.0L right now, just for information.
Here's what I got from the FLAPS...Is this one ok to use? 0 231 172 009 311 905 205 AE Isn't that 311 number from a type 3 engine? By the way, this thing came with new points, condenser and FI trigger points. The vacuum canister is just repainted silver, cheesy looking. Comparing it to my old dizzy, the shaft is nice and tight, with no slop....man, I didn't realize my old one was so bad.... |
RustyWa |
Sep 15 2003, 10:48 PM
Post
#2
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
Oh by the way...the FI trigger points, contact points and condenser do not appear to be Bosch units.
|
Bleyseng |
Sep 15 2003, 10:56 PM
Post
#3
|
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Sounds like a type 3 one to me.
Geoff |
RustyWa |
Sep 15 2003, 11:00 PM
Post
#4
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
So is that a send it back or go with it?
|
MarkV |
Sep 15 2003, 11:00 PM
Post
#5
|
Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
|
RustyWa |
Sep 15 2003, 11:03 PM
Post
#6
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
Mark, I did happen across that site..but the 0 231 172 009 dizzy doesn't even list there....?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
|
Bleyseng |
Sep 15 2003, 11:10 PM
Post
#7
|
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The 1.7 dizzys I have sitting here are 022 950 205 E and F's.
914 Distributor Chart Displ. Part Number Start RPM Adv@RPM Adv@RPM Adv@RPM End 1.7 ? 022 905 205 A 900-1000 13-17@1500 18-21@2000 27@2900 1.7 ? 022 905 205 B 900-1000 19-22@1500 19-22@1500 27@2900 1.7 022 905 205 D 1050-1200 14-17@1500 17-20@2000 27@2900 1.7 022 905 205 E/F 700-1050 10-15@1500 14-19@2000 22-27@3000 1.7 022 905 205 J 700-1050 10-15@1500 [not listed] 22-27@3000 1.8 022 905 205 AA 980-1180 14.5-19@1500 23.5-26.5@2500 29-32@3400 1.8 022 905 205 AB 980-1180 14.5-19@1500 23.5-26.5@2500 29-32@3400 2.0 039 905 205 900-1100 6-10@1500 [not listed] 20-24@3000 2.0 039 905 205 A 900-1100 4-9@1500 [not listed] 22@3000 2.0 [unlabeled] 850-1150 7-12@1500 12-17@2000 20-24@2800 Geoff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) |
MarkV |
Sep 15 2003, 11:11 PM
Post
#8
|
Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
Yes I just looked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
They list a: 0 231 174 009 as a 2.0 914 All but 2 of the 009 sufix are for 914's |
Bleyseng |
Sep 15 2003, 11:17 PM
Post
#9
|
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
We normally go by the bottom number (VW)on the dizzy hence the 039 which denotes 2.0L.
If you are going by the Bosch numbers I am toast. Geoff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
RustyWa |
Sep 15 2003, 11:43 PM
Post
#10
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
I finally found some information...
Type 3 1972 * 1600 Fuel Injected Manual Trans Note: Bosch shows this distributor to be installed through April 1972 which may be incorrect. VW shows this distributor to be installed throughout the 1972 model year in North America. Distributor: VW 311-905-205AE, Bosch 0231 172 009 Replacement: Same Points: 01 011 Condensor: 02 054 Rotor: 04 006 Cap: 03 001 Coil: 00 015 (Blue Coil 00 012) Vacuum Can: 07 100 FI Trigger Points Assembly: 1230 090 000 Ignition Wires: 09 004 Spark Plug: W8AC Timing Set At: 5deg BTDC @ 800-950rpm w/strobe w/both vacuum hoses disconnected and plugged. When finished with timing and hoses plugged in, possible readjustment of idle to 850-900rpm may be needed. Advance/Retard Range: Vacuum: 8-12deg Adv, 9-10deg Ret; Centrifugal: 11-16deg @ 1800rpm, 19-23deg @ 4000rpm Looks like I should be bringing it back tomorrow after work and getting another....for the price, I doubt they recurved it. |
McMark |
Sep 15 2003, 11:57 PM
Post
#11
|
914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Flipping through my giant Bosch Engine Management catalog (gotta love working at a parts store) shows that 0 231 172 009 was for a 1972 Fastback or Squareback. So yes, it's a Type 3 distributor. As to whether it's a good replacement or not, I can't say.
Now I want to go and check the replacement unit I got. But I seem to remember the numbers being sandblasted off. Maybe I'll pull it tomorrow if I've got a few spare minutes. |
Bleyseng |
Sep 16 2003, 12:00 AM
Post
#12
|
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Not enough advance from reading RustyWA's post.
Geoff |
RustyWa |
Sep 16 2003, 12:04 AM
Post
#13
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
Thanks guys. I'm going to bed.
|
Bleyseng |
Sep 16 2003, 12:06 AM
Post
#14
|
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Me too. I was doing paperwork while I cruised the BBS.
Geoff |
mharrison |
Sep 16 2003, 06:52 AM
Post
#15
|
Why do I bother???? Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 8-September 03 From: Madison, MS Member No.: 1,123 |
Well, I just mail-ordered mine last night. I'll be sure to check it when it gets here. At the Advance Auto Parts counter they said they couldn't even order one, but the website let me.....I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
|
RustyWa |
Sep 16 2003, 12:56 PM
Post
#16
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
Let us know what it is when you get it. I'm returning mine today and will try to get them to order another. It's a shame since it appeared everything on THIS dizzy seemed to be there and in good shape. Except for the vacuum canister. It was a little sticky with it's motion.
I don't care for the look of the bead blasting of the dizzy's. My old one is so much more purdy. |
RustyWa |
Sep 16 2003, 03:30 PM
Post
#17
|
Working Member Group: Members Posts: 610 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 72 |
I returned the dizzy and got a refund. My FLAPS called another FLAPS, in Phoenix I believe, and had them physically check the numbers of the one they had in stock. It was the same as the one I had purchased, 311 905 205AE, for a Type 3. So that is not encouraging.
Geoff, you stated that this 311 dizzy didn't have enough advance. Looking at the 311 dizzy information above, aren't the numbers 11-16deg @ 1800RPM and 19-23deg @ 4000RPM closer to the 039 dizzy than the 022 is to a 039? I wonder if anyone has put one of these rebuilt units on a "dizzy dyno" (what ever the hell they are called) and verified the curves. It would be interesting to see if these things are recurved or not when they are rebuilt. Well, off to the next step...what ever that is. |
Charles Deutsch |
Sep 16 2003, 04:45 PM
Post
#18
|
Unregistered |
Have you tried taking your old dizzy to a P-car mechanic to have it rebuilt? The guy I deal with has been able to get me every Porsche part I've needed so far so I'm guessing that he could probably rebuild the distributor with the right parts too.
|
Bleyseng |
Sep 16 2003, 04:50 PM
Post
#19
|
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
For a real rebuilt 2.0L dizzy call Ottos. You can have your dizzy rebuilt around here too. Bow wow can get the bushing and I think Jerry at NWCS can do the machine work.
Geoff |
MarkV |
Sep 16 2003, 04:58 PM
Post
#20
|
Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
Wouldn't it be cheaper & easier to buy the FLAPS distributor & take it to someone w/ a distributor machine & have them set the advance curve? Just because the outside of the FLAPS distributor has the wrong part # on it, doesn't mean that the advance is set to match the wrong part #. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 26th April 2024 - 01:58 PM |
All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002 |
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community! We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ... |