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post Apr 16 2006, 10:25 PM
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Then the question would be, am I planning on selling it? The present motor needs to be resealed as it sat for a couple years befor I got it. It has an oil leak that I have yet to nail down so I want to pull and freshen it up anyway. So Perhaps I would be happy with the 1911 with a cam. I am very happy with the stock L-jet and don't see the need to change to aftermarket FI unless I go bigger than what stock FI can handle. If I'm going to go that big, I might as well spend the money and get the motor combo that looks like it will fit my needs best. Short of that, would the 1911 come anywhere near my desired acceleration level? Does anyone have dyno numbers from a 1911 with a cam and stock FI?
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post Apr 16 2006, 11:33 PM
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Stock FI will give stock performance (give or take around 10 hp). Switch the cam and put carbs or aftermarket FI on there and now you're making some power.
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post Apr 17 2006, 07:52 AM
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IMO, if it's going to be a street car, a 1911 or 2056 (Raby kits, or McMark engine) will great...

it sounds like you want a street/occasional auto-x car with a little more pep than stock... 2056 or 1911 either one will be fine.

if you *really* want to spend 8500 on the engine, then Andy has the right idea, buy a 13k car, either a 6 conversion or big 4...

I like big Raby 4s... but if I really had 8-10k to spend on my 914 engine, a 6 starts looking enticing, eventhough the 4 in that price range may have a little more hp. tough choice, do a serach, many others have had this discussion
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post Apr 17 2006, 08:12 AM
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the costs, even for a 2056, will jump a bit as you option up on items. while shopping for parts for the onion (not exactly a "kit"), i got to a point where it's "only a little bit more" for what would be an upgrade on various parts and sevices. bumped the price a few hundred or so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif), but "while i was in there....

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post Apr 17 2006, 11:13 AM
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There is a 2056 with some Raby sourced parts in the classifieds right now.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=49843
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post Apr 17 2006, 07:43 PM
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Thats a good deal on that engine! I walked the builder through many aspects of assembly and most all the parts were sourced from me, plus he is a professional wrench to boot!

Its a deal for someone!
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post Apr 17 2006, 07:58 PM
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You can find plenty of good used sixes for under $5K. Dont forget that you would have upgrading to do if you plan to go with a big bore 4.

I'm in the camp of either keeping engine at or below 2056cc with stock FI or go for a six. Now that I have done a six conversion I see the advantages of a 4, but I would do the six compared to a big bore 4 everytime.

Click on my link in my signature if you want to hear a sub $2500 six cylinder. Fully installed it was under $7K. Of course beware that you wont stop at just the engine when doing a six.
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post Apr 19 2006, 10:06 PM
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So what advantages could a 2056 possibly have over a 6? Also, a 2270 with 165ish tq and hp vs a 6 with the same, why would the six be a better option than the "big four"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Apr 19 2006, 10:22 PM
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About 4000 miles ago I bought and installed a $7000 2.2 four from FAT Performance here in Orange California. 147 HP with 44 Webers. Runs good, fun to drive (although I have had some valve lifter issues). I'll be installing ceramic lifters this year. Having said that my next car will be a six. Fours are cheaper to work on but a good 3.0 liter six has been nown to last 300,000 miles without any major work. Smooth, reliable 180 HP. A little more weight but a lot more power.

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post Apr 20 2006, 08:31 AM
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do you like heat? price out some exchangers for a 6 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) . as i understand it, a big (2270+)4 will need a GOOD header systen to maximize the power potential.

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post Apr 20 2006, 09:20 AM
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Kevin,
Your heads are being finsihed up tomorrow.. They look great! email me.

(Kevin is getting the first set of "New Generation" heads to ever be sold to the public!)
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post Apr 21 2006, 12:22 AM
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will do. the staff at RAT sets the benchmark for customer service.

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kevin - very cool man!

what is the rest of the onion getting?
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post Apr 21 2006, 12:52 AM
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a cam (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) . reground/parkerised(sp) lifters. the KB pistons from the onion(those, the case, and the rocker assem, the rest was junk). lightened/bal rods. jake opened up a set of nice 94s that i had. the whole rotating assem is back in georgia for a balance. some 44s that came with the cars i bought. the whole mallory setup. i'm going to ceramachrome the intakes. as close as i can get to irish green pc on the tin, filter bases/tops, breather box, etc. heat exchangers.

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post Apr 21 2006, 07:44 AM
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Kevin, The ceramachrome doesn't like intakes or intake ports on Carbbed engines...
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post Apr 21 2006, 08:33 AM
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ok. just to clarify...my intent was not to do the bores of the intakes themselves, just the exteriors. i was hoping to prevent a bit of the heat sinking for a cooler charge. don't worry, i'm listening.

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