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| Trekkor |
 May 19 2006, 05:42 PM
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I do things...  Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California  |
I'll consider anything.
Tell me how long they last. Remember, I won't a/x them. KT |
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| nine14cats |
May 19 2006, 05:51 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Trekkor,
Talk with Rich Walton about the Toyo's. The Toyo Cup cars are getting some pretty good longevity out of them. I also noticed that several of the cars in the VARA group in SoCal have switched from the Kumho's to the Toyo RA-1's based on similar lap times and longer wear. I'm doing the same thing as far a tires...I just ordered my new set of R250's for AX and when the time comes I'll re-order my GY R600's since they are wearing great and are the spec series tire I need to run.... P.S. I'm keeping my gumball hoosiers for the Time Trial runs.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Hey...I just heard I may make Buttonwillow TT. Dan...you available to instruct Doris? Bill P. |
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| DanT |
May 19 2006, 06:01 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Bill,
I'll make some time for Doris during the weekend. Don't know when it will be but I will make sure to get in with her. What happened, did you find that 4 diamond motel in Lost Hills.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| Trekkor |
May 19 2006, 06:18 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I just talked to Rich. I had actually put in a message to him a few hours ago.
I'm going to try a set of Toyo's: shaved. They are cheap, too. ( OK, cheaper ) KT |
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| drew365 |
May 19 2006, 06:21 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
I'm sure all you CSOB know that Hoosier is discounting their 05 tires to clear them out. I ordered two sets Monday and they showed up today. Pretty quick and cheap. Relatively speaking in a world of $3.30 diesel!
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| SirAndy |
May 19 2006, 06:30 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ May 19 2006, 04:36 PM)  I have been running TT/DE/AX for quite a number of years (16+) and have never personally witnessed any tires of any type coming off the bead of the rim. It is something that just doesn't seem to ocurr very often. and that proves what? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) it's not even that much about the tires, it's about the attitude behind it ... i, for one, don't like the idea of running on the track with other pilots who think homedepot is the best place to shop for their racecar parts or think they have to cut every possible corner just because they can or try to squeeze the last penny out of every thing they put on their car or run tires on rims they were never designed for ... apparently, nobody else has any problems with "stretching" safety until it fits their liking ... honestly, this has been a real turn-off in regards to my desire to go club-racing with you guys ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Andy |
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| Trekkor |
May 19 2006, 06:39 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
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| SirAndy |
May 19 2006, 06:44 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(trekkor @ May 19 2006, 05:39 PM) Home Depot sponsors racing...If that helps. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Jumpy.gif) thank you for proving my point! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) i knew this would be the way you are looking at it. i don't think there is anything funny about this ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Andy |
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| Trekkor |
May 19 2006, 06:49 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Seriously, we're a safe group.
I won't do anything to put you or I in risk. My car always passes tech. In fact many of us run equipment not required for safety's sake. Even me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) Don't be mad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) KT |
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| DanT |
May 19 2006, 07:12 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 19 2006, 05:30 PM) QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ May 19 2006, 04:36 PM) I have been running TT/DE/AX for quite a number of years (16+) and have never personally witnessed any tires of any type coming off the bead of the rim. It is something that just doesn't seem to ocurr very often. and that proves what? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) it's not even that much about the tires, it's about the attitude behind it ... i, for one, don't like the idea of running on the track with other pilots who think homedepot is the best place to shop for their racecar parts or think they have to cut every possible corner just because they can or try to squeeze the last penny out of every thing they put on their car or run tires on rims they were never designed for ... apparently, nobody else has any problems with "stretching" safety until it fits their liking ... honestly, this has been a real turn-off in regards to my desire to go club-racing with you guys ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Andy OK, I wasnt' going to go here but I can't help myself. Andy, exactly how much track/AX exprience do you have.? I am not quite sure where you are coming from with this. You rag on lots of folks about what they are doing but I don't hear you doing any of it for the most part. If you haven't come out to one of the track events and witnessed personally what goes on, then how can you comment on it? Thanks for the effort you put into this site but that does not entitle you to rip on any one that does not completely agree with your narrow point of view. I guess the information that Bill accumulated is not interesting or informative to you in any way? Flame away My Nomex is on. There I said it. |
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| SirAndy |
May 19 2006, 07:36 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ May 19 2006, 06:12 PM) Andy, exactly how much track/AX exprience do you have.? i am narrow minded because i go by what a racetire manufacturer tells me about their tires in their product description? what a respected reseller lists on their website for the same product? what other respected racers have told me? what i have experienced so far with my limited track/AX experience? you have got to be kidding !!! i don't care how many times you drove in a circle and how many years you have tried to kill cones in a parking lot, stretching a racetire beyond what it was designed for IS NOT SAFE and anybody who tries to tell me otherwise does not belong behind the wheel of a racecar ... period. my narrow minded opinion and i'm sticking to it ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) Andy |
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| DanT |
May 19 2006, 07:43 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
OK doaky (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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| Trekkor |
May 19 2006, 07:56 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
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| J P Stein |
May 19 2006, 08:59 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 19 2006, 06:36 PM) i don't care how many times you drove in a circle and how many years you have tried to kill cones in a parking lot, stretching a racetire beyond what it was designed for IS NOT SAFE and anybody who tries to tell me otherwise does not belong behind the wheel of a racecar ... period. my narrow minded opinion and i'm sticking to it ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) Andy And I'm sure it will get the respect it deserves. |
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| SirAndy |
May 19 2006, 09:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ May 19 2006, 07:59 PM) And I'm sure it will get the respect it deserves. so, you are saying it's perfectly fine to overstretch your tires ... am i understanding you correctly? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy |
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| Trekkor |
May 19 2006, 09:07 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Say, Dan. You ever run the Toyo's?
I know KenH has. He likes the Kumho's better though. I want to try the Toyo's. I think of all the Spec classes that run them and so on. They must be good, right. Just kinda nervous over here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) KT |
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| J P Stein |
May 19 2006, 09:16 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
What you can't seem to get thru your stubborn German skull is that Goodyear has said repeatedly that mounting these tires on 8 inch wheels is *not* "overstretching" them.
You are the only one that says that they are being "overstretched". Maybe you should call Goodyear and tell them that they are all fucked up. Maybe they'll put you to work as the chief straightenerouter of all us dumb fucks who are trying to kill ourselves & everybody around us. |
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| nine14cats |
May 19 2006, 09:33 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Trekkor,
Go over to the Pelican Board and post your questions about the Toyo's there. Or PM Mark Scott of Scott Associates who runs a Beck's powered 68 or 69 911 in HSR/VARA. Lots of guys running Kumho's, Hoosiers and Toyo's. Scott has a clean car and has won a series championship. I rmember him talking about the switch from Victoracers to Toyo's. I'm sure if you do a search there you could get info on it. IIRC, the guys running track events said the tires lasted longer (heat cycles and tread) if you shaved them. Probably has something to do with chunking the tire. I remember when we were running the 2.7 914 during a rainy weekend that dried out during my run session. Victoracers were on our light car and they stuck great once they came in. I also tried a set of the V700 Ecsta's after that and I thought they were terrible. They got greasy really quick during a 25 minute run session. I have never tried the V710's or Hoosier Dot R's on the track as we had already made the move to slicks by that time. Bill P. |
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| Trekkor |
May 19 2006, 09:52 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Thanks, Bill.
Rich W had told me this evening that a 4-6/ 32's shave is critical. He said they went through 5 sets in the 25 Hours of Thunderhill. He was telling me how he went out on tire's that were at the 6/32 tread depth. Their lap times were 3 secs slower than the 4/32 cut. If I get them, he recommends the 6/32's shave for me, as I will improve as they wear in and increase grip all the way to the wear bars (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) For reference: the full tread depth is 8-9/32's. Full tread in competition is only used in the wet. KT |
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| SirAndy |
May 19 2006, 10:49 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ May 19 2006, 08:16 PM) You are the only one that says that they are being "overstretched". in a fairly small market like this certain type of racing slicks, one would think that a company like goodyear would be interested to sell as many of those tires as possible. *if* they could be mounted on 8" without any problems, you can be *certain* goodyear would list that size in their spec-sheet. this is called marketing ... however, they are very clear that those tires are to be mounted on 7" rims only. why do you think that is? there obviously is a reason why they do *not* list 8" as a allowed rim size for their tires ... apparently, the goodyear specifications in print and online can easily be ignored and substituted with rumors and anecdotes ... again, thank you for proving my initial point ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy |
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