Track tires, what have you used? Options

[Trekkor]

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His eyes are x's. I think he's dead, boys.


KT

[SirAndy]

I have been a Sales and Marketing Director for a company for several years.

i know. that's why you should be able to see what i'm trying to say here ...

nowhere, not just online, but also (and even more so) in print, have i ever seen or come across a specsheet for this particular type of tire (from goodyear) that *ever* listed anything other than a 7" rim as the size. ever.

now this might be the biggest hiccup since marketing was invented, but i have my doubts ...

in addition, for everybody here that states that they have heard that it's "ok" to stretch those tires, i have had someone else tell me the opposite.
i guess it now comes down to who can dig up the more impressive names to go with their claims ...

if i am wrong and these tires can be safely mounted on a 8" rim, goodyear has had the lousiest continuous marketing campaign of all times, hands down,
because they could have sold hundreds of thousands more tires over the years ...

i guess these guys are missing out on a ton of business as well!
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.a...15&autoview=sku
someone call them and let the know ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/jsharp.gif) Andy

[Trekkor]

Bill, thanks for the idea to go over to Pelican and poke around.
I learned quite a bit about the Toyo's.
"Sprint shave", "Enduro shave" etc.

Some guys say run full tread and enjoy improving grip all the way to the cords. Some say run shaved at 4/32's.

Seems to be the same story. "To each his own".
All tend to aggree that the tire is fastest on short treads.

So, If I go with the enduro shave at 6/32's or even full tread the tires may be at peak grip by the end of the season when I should be at the top of my skill level.

People have been worried about chunking or squirmy feel when used at full tread on dry tracks.
No reports of chunking were found but some stated squirmy feel.
Some of that seemed to be due to underinflation.

I want buy from my local America's Tire Co. here in town because they have been so good to me. They don't/can't get shaved Toyo's though.

I could buy the tires from AIM and pay AM Tire Co to do the mount and balance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Never ending, huh?

KT

[nine14cats]

Hi Trekkor,

Yeah...there was alot of discussion about the Toyo's on the bird board. If you decide to buy the shaved tires....get them sent to you and have your local tire guy mount and balance. Or maybe your local tire guy can buy from AIM wholesale B2B. They make a couple of dollars and you don't have to deliver to them.

As far as the different tread depths, you could try one set one way and log it into a notebook and then try a set a different way (shaved versus unshaved). Let the data tell you how they perform regarding wear, laptimes, driver preference. It may take several months, but you'll collect some information.

Bill P.

[Trekkor]

In case you were wondering about the Yokohama 225's I have.

I'm not brave enough to run them. I think they will burn through my paint in the rear fenderwells.

This picture is not the greatest, but it's what I have.

the 225's mounted.


KT

[grantsfo]

This is a debate? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clown2.gif) If so I'd say niether side has offered compelling evidence one way or another. Seems quick way to resolve this is to talk to a Good Year tire engineer or rep involved with race tires.

All the other companies typically have great people available to speak to consumers.

[SirAndy]

Summit prints the ad copy given to them by Goodyear.

well, of course they do! and they (summit) are just one source, not the absolute source. can i attach PDF's to posts? i'll try ...

directly from goodyear itself, fresh from the oven and still warm ...

so, you're telling me that whenever you see a specsheet for a product, any product, you *always* call in person to verify the content?
you trust the ingredients list on the back of your canned soup?
the expiration date printed on your yoguhrt?
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if you can download the attached PDF, please note that we're not just talking about a typo, *all* of the G-19 tires for the production classes are listed as one rim size only ...
you will also notice that the few tires of the formular type that can be used on different rim widths are CLEARLY marked with a rim-width range !!!

what are the chances that your sales rep you had on the phone wasn't sure, didn't know, had no idea, was new, or worse, in india ...

maybe you should get a job at goodyear as they cleary seem to have a huge marketing problem on their hands ...

i'm sorry, but i just don't buy your "they must have fucked up their print material and spec-sheets because i spoke to a guy who told me different" story ...

hey trek, if you say please, i'll let you touch my schlicks next time at the AX, just so you can get an idea on how stiff those sidewalls really are ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) Andy

[Trekkor]

The nice thing about AIM, is they are at Sears Point and I can pick them up shaved for less than the price of AM's Tire Co unshaved with shipping fees.

Track's less than 20 minutes from home, you know?


KT

[SirAndy]

based in part on a print ad in Summit?

i never based anything on the ad at summit's website. that link came along after i had made my initial argument. it's simply to show that there *are* people out there that think those tires should only be mounted on one size rims.

my real argument has always been the print media that comes directly from goodyear ...

so it looks like we're now down to:
did goodyear fuck up their print media years ago and has been too lazy to fix it?

that is basically your argument, am i correct?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

And you misquoted me.

well, if you want to get picky on me ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i never "quoted" you with that sentence, i *asked* you if that was basically what your argument was boiling down to.
technically, two different things. of course, you only saw the printed online version. if you had called me, i would have explained it to you in more detail ...
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

And to say "maybe you should get a job at goodyear as they cleary seem to have a huge marketing problem on their hands ..."....C'mon Andy, isn't that kind of a low blow?...It's not like I think you're the Anti-Christ. I'm not berating what you do successfully for a living. Without what you do we wouldn't have your Garage or Paddock to play in.

i was serious! c'mon bill, you are in advertising! a company as huge as goodyear should not, and can not afford to, have obviously incorrect spec-sheets and product information on their website.

that wasn't a blow against you, that was me poking at goodyear.
if you are right, they have a HUGE problem with their advertising.
plain and simple ...

don't tell me i'm wrong on that one as well ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Andy

[J P Stein]

Once again, pick your gurus carefully.
If you need advice on an issue like this, bounce the Q off a couple of them. If the stars align, give it a shot & find out for yourself......they YOU know.

Thus far, I haven't had any problems with cantis on 8s. Since I'm running around parking lot killing cones, the danger to myself & others is minimal.
I could run them on 7s, but one of my gurus warned me off that for AX. That particular guy didn't say to use em' on 8s instead. I extrapolated at bit from another source or 2. So.....nobody recommended running cantis on 8s. Some said they did so and since I had a problem to fix, that's how I fixed it and it worked.

Problems that come up for guys that actually do stuff (vs armchair quarterbacks) can cost time & money (500 bucks for a pair of cantis + wheels). Research is good prior to jumping in. I satisfied myself that this was a possible cure and put my money on the line. Right or wrong, there it is. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time so ego doesn't enter into the equation. The only thing that counts is the result.

[SirAndy]

Once again, pick your gurus carefully.
If you need advice on an issue like this, bounce the Q off a couple of them. If the stars align, give it a shot & find out for yourself......they YOU know.

dude ... i told you before, *i* have been told by people that *you* would consider experts and/or gurus, apparently, they didn't tell you, too bad for you ...

btw. exactly what makes one an expert?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

I may be jaded but I don't think they have a problem with their advertising.

sorry to tell you that, but in germany (and probably most of the rest of the world) a manufacturer that has false product descriptions and datasheets and knows about it and doesn't do anything about it would be regarded as *incompetent* ...

the fact that you're fine with that fits perfectly in my 10+ experience with CA workethics ... must be the sun ...
and yes, you could regard this as a low blow, just my observation, *quality* and "standing behind your product" does not seem to be very apprechiated around here ...

i'm sorry man, that's just not right ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Andy

[SirAndy]

So, if I'm Goodyear, I don't need to change my marketing at all. 99.9% of the canti's I sell will go on 7 inch rims.

hold on, putting on my marketing hat ...

you just contradicted yourself. big time. if goodyear sells 99.9% of those tires to go on 7" rims, then, according to your claim, they're missing out on a *HUGE* market of 8" guys that don't buy their tires because they don't *know* that they fit a 8" rim ...

that's about the worst marketing argument i have ever heard ...

and yes, i run my own company, and have so for years. and yes, i sell products and services.
and yes, i have worked for multi-multi-million dollar companies and know a thing or two about selling stuff in large quantities ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) Andy

[J P Stein]

btw. exactly what makes one an expert?
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

Experts are those who have BTDT and have been successful in their chosen field.
Like yourself, I'm not a name dropper.....they're hinterland guys anyhow.

The point is moot in any case.* I* made the decision months before this thread came up and there's nothing here to make me reconsider. In fact, with the admittedly
short time I've been using the car for it's intended purpose, the results have been positive. Tho I'm still slower than I would like, the car is much easier to drive & the push is gone. Both my co-driver & I are learning to drive the thing, so we have hopes for measurable improvements against those that are currently faster than us......assuming the front tires don't explode killing everyone in view.

Speaking of unsafe set-ups, what are you doing to improve your suspension problems .....beyond your chassis deformation? Which guru recommended slicks on a car that wasn't set up for them? Didja notice how this attack dog crap cuts both ways?

[DanT]

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[Trekkor]

Funny discussion. Let's see if I got it right?

"Canti's are cool"
"Yeah, I know, man"
"They won't/can't fit on 8's, dude"
"Listen Bro, I seen it. Come look"
"No, you're dumb"
"Hey,hey...I asked them guys. It's fine"
"So what?"
"arrgggh!"
"Hack"
"Chop"
"Outsch!!"
"You OK?"
"Yeah"
"They don't fit, though"...

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KT

[SirAndy]

Speaking of unsafe set-ups, what are you doing to improve your suspension problems .....beyond your chassis deformation? Which guru recommended slicks on a car that wasn't set up for them? Didja notice how this attack dog crap cuts both ways?

have you seen me on the big track lately? no? well, there's a reason why i have not attended any DE/TT with my car recently ...
why? because i feel it's not safe with the current problems. go figure ...

no one recommended slicks for my car.
well, actually, bill p. sort of talked me into it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
i bought them from him. but i was a willing target.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) Andy

[Trekkor]

My wife just saw this and asked, "So , do they fit?"

I told her yes... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)


KT