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post May 17 2006, 12:27 AM
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A low mile 1835 engine thats bored, cammed, and otherwise hotrodded is being offered for sale to me.

What is involved in putting a t1 into a 914?
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post May 17 2006, 12:41 AM
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First you shoot yourself in the foot. Then you put a zipper on your engine compartment so when the T1 blows up you can put the T4 back in. Have fun.

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post May 17 2006, 12:44 AM
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Should bolt in.

but it doesnt make nearly as much tq as a t4 engine....

which is why no one does it.....
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post May 17 2006, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ May 16 2006, 11:44 PM) *

Should bolt in.

but it doesnt make nearly as much tq as a t4 engine....

which is why no one does it.....



Replies noted...

Main reasons for doing so are.

1) To pull the 1.7 and clean it up, see how its doin.
2) To have for the sandrail...


Thanks for the replies fella's . I was entirely un-aware of teh tq. hard to realize less than what she's got now...
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post May 17 2006, 01:11 AM
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Lets just say.. that the old bugs couldnt go past 70mph...

Andrew...

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post May 17 2006, 01:21 AM
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dude. put the crackpipe down please.


bad idea.
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post May 17 2006, 01:23 AM
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I actually cant figure out why more people havent attempted this conversion.

Things I can quickly think of:

1. engine mounting with cross bar. NOt sure how this would work.
2. exhaust (and or heat)
3. cooling without sucking heat from exhaust system (no engine tin to fit)


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post May 17 2006, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ May 17 2006, 12:23 AM) *

I actually cant figure out why more people havent attempted this conversion.

Things I can quickly think of:

1. engine mounting with cross bar. NOt sure how this would work.
2. exhaust (and or heat)
3. cooling without sucking heat from exhaust system (no engine tin to fit)


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because a type one is equally archaic to a type 4......

and it aint worth the trouble.... for a grenade motor to have equal hp....
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post May 17 2006, 01:28 AM
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Think about who the audience is = cheap

VW T-1 Hot Rod engines = cheap and easy to come by.


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post May 17 2006, 01:59 AM
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I'm with Brad. I'm waiting to see someone do this. I wanna see what happens. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post May 17 2006, 07:23 AM
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At least choose something better than the 1835! Thats THE worst, hottest running Type 1 engine on the planet! The cylinders are paper thin! Its actually a bored out 90.5mm cylinder, they both use the same register OD.

The gearing of a 914 will melt a TI, let it get out of tune once and it's gone. The engines lack surface area to get the heat into the cooling air stream. The TI has 26% less surface area than a TIV-

I wish all the 914 guys would pull their engines and install Subys, Type 1s, 911s and V-8s.... That way my Type 1 converts that actually have some sense could snag up those core engines and slap them into their VW!

You guys get cheaper by the minute-
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post May 17 2006, 07:27 AM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 17 2006, 05:23 AM) *


You guys get cheaper by the minute-



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post May 17 2006, 07:51 AM
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Mounting.
Flywheel/clutch.
Cooling.
Longevity.
Lack of power/torque.
Cost. You may be getting one for a reasonable price, but it costs as much to hotrod a T1 properly as it does a T4, and they still don't live.

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post May 17 2006, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ May 17 2006, 06:51 AM) *

Mounting.
Flywheel/clutch.
Cooling.
Longevity.
Lack of power/torque.
Cost. You may be getting one for a reasonable price, but it costs as much to hotrod a T1 properly as it does a T4, and they still don't live.

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Sounds like the club hath save me once again from a dismal purchase...

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post May 17 2006, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ May 17 2006, 03:11 AM) *

Lets just say.. that the old bugs couldnt go past 70mph...

Andrew...

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There are many reasons not to do this... but that statement is just a load of crap.
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post May 17 2006, 12:13 PM
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Yeah, my bug can do 100+ . . . with a warmed over 1.8L t4.
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post May 17 2006, 12:23 PM
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Mark, im talkin bout the 36hp bugs and such...

Dont mean to piss of the bug guys... Bugs are cool!

PS. I did not see the statement of what kind of engine richard was looking at. I believe he edited his post after it got more than a few posts to have more information. Original post was a basic question.

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post May 17 2006, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(rpmmaxxed @ May 16 2006, 11:27 PM) *

A low mile 1835 engine thats bored, cammed, and otherwise hotrodded is being offered for sale to me.

What is involved in putting a t1 into a 914?



make an ug-bug out of it and take it to glamis.
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post May 17 2006, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ May 17 2006, 06:23 AM) *

At least choose something better than the 1835! Thats THE worst, hottest running Type 1 engine on the planet! The cylinders are paper thin! Its actually a bored out 90.5mm cylinder, they both use the same register OD.

The gearing of a 914 will melt a TI, let it get out of tune once and it's gone. The engines lack surface area to get the heat into the cooling air stream. The TI has 26% less surface area than a TIV-

I wish all the 914 guys would pull their engines and install Subys, Type 1s, 911s and V-8s.... That way my Type 1 converts that actually have some sense could snag up those core engines and slap them into their VW!

You guys get cheaper by the minute-


Jack,

I think the reason people are cheap is because the lack of knowledge. We don't have much to compare the T4 to. The T1 is a bad comparsion. I have had to do a lot of homework to realize what you're company is offering for money. Hearing you say it is not the same a going out there and trying to find similar components in other places.

When you have a lot of providers it makes it easier for un-informed people to gage a good deal. So I guess you are going to have to keep preaching to us. I haven't started my engine rebuild yet (still doing body work) but I go to your website at least once a day.

These sites have helped me a understand a lot about the T4 and get a good appreciation for your new heads!!

http://www.ratwell.com/
http://www.tunacan.net/t4/
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post May 17 2006, 01:43 PM
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His names Jake...
YOU DONT KNOW JACK!!!! (lol)
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