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post Jun 12 2006, 07:35 PM
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I gave the picture of them to my son. He's going to ask the parts guys at work and see what they come up with.
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post Jun 12 2006, 08:06 PM
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Late breaking news!
In my mini parts bin, I found a small package of push pin rivets I bought a few years ago at my local Auto Zone. When I first saw them in the store, I thought they were about the right size and they were (are) white! I bought a packet of 4 (cheap) to measure up to the real thing. They are close but not exactly the same.
The rounded head is slightly flatter than original.
Here's the info on the box;
on the front;
RIVET-TITE push rivet nylon .187 dia.
#47901 qty 4
on the back they indicate they are available in 4 different sizes; 3/32", 1/8", 5/32", 3/16"
(now the key)
MADE IN USA
BY MOTOMITE Mfg. Div of R&B, Inc.
P.O. Box 1800 Colmar, PA 18915-1800
copyright 1992

So who knows where this place is?? Who wants to initiate first contact?

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post Jun 12 2006, 11:51 PM
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It's 1/2 way between Philly and Allentown (Mapquest)

No phone numbers listed for either business name
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post Jun 13 2006, 05:24 AM
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The Motomite line of parts is now owned by Dorman. Here is a link to the rivets:

http://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91...ategory_list=:0
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post Jun 13 2006, 06:56 AM
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I have a couple other sources I'll follow through on. I'll mail out the samples tomorrow and see if they can match them with something in their product line.
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post Jun 13 2006, 06:59 AM
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Hey, any of you guys who need a sample rivet contact me & I'll send you one.

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post Jun 13 2006, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(Part Pricer @ Jun 13 2006, 07:24 AM) *

The Motomite line of parts is now owned by Dorman. Here is a link to the rivets:

http://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91...ategory_list=:0

Little clarification here. Motormite is the house brand name for R&B Corp, of Colmar Pa. R&R bought Dorman in 1995. Long story short - I was Dorman's controller & that's how I wound up in Pa. My affiliation w/R&B lasted a few short months after the takeover & we parted ways with no love lost on either side.

I do still have many friends @ Dorman & I'll see what I find out. Regardless, R&B and Dorman are strictly packaging operations & do not manufacture. So, if those are still active parts they're probably made in the third world. By the way, Pep Boys also carries the line from R&B/Dorman so that's another posibility.

Can't believe all these posts about a stupid plastic rivet!
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post Jun 13 2006, 03:21 PM
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It's 1/2 way between Philly and Allentown (Mapquest)

No phone numbers listed for either business name


It's bout 5 miles from me (R&B), but that place is not where the fasteners are packaged - they're packaged by Dorman Products in Warsaw, Ky. Anyone in that area? That's the place to get them. Forget Colmar.
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post Jun 13 2006, 03:22 PM
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Hi Guys,

I did a little more research on rivets. I stopped at my local Porsche dealer and special ordered (12) black rivets for my car. The dealer checked Porsche and said white are NLA, but the black ones part # P999-591-550-40 will be in next week. Paid .96 cents each. I'll let you know next week if they match the ones I have in my car.

Note: Dealer had some larger ones in stock, part # P999-507-499-40 @ .30 cents each so I took them at that price. Never know if they can be used in a pinch. Hey, Judge Gary is half blind anyway.

Summary: Looks like 914 original size rivets (black only) are still available from Porsche. White ones are the problem, so keep looking.

Tom
BTW: Here's a copy of my invoice for reference.


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post Jun 13 2006, 03:24 PM
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post Jun 13 2006, 04:34 PM
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Stoddard has those in stock. $0.80 each.

http://stoddard.com/shop/shopsearch.asp?se...ord=99959155040
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post Jun 13 2006, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(Part Pricer @ Jun 13 2006, 02:34 PM) *

Stoddard has those in stock. $0.80 each.

http://stoddard.com/shop/shopsearch.asp?se...ord=99959155040


Part Pricer, By the time you add shipping say $4.50 USPM or more you might just go to a dealer and pick them up! Tell them that Stoddard has them $.80 and see why theirs is more. But if no Porsche dealer is in driving distance (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) , ship away.
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post Jun 13 2006, 06:30 PM
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Man those DO look big! Maybe not much diff when in place & they may even hold tighter. S'pose a halfay good judge would notice?
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post Jun 13 2006, 07:03 PM
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pricey little buggers, i thought the clear ones where fairly inexpensive. I'll follow through on aftermarket as well... white and black
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post Jun 14 2006, 10:36 AM
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The samples went out today to various vendors. I'll keep you all posted and see if they have a match.
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post Jun 14 2006, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(dcheek @ Jun 12 2006, 11:48 AM) *

I had a discussion about the rivets on my 76 at the Danbury CT Zone One event last month. Sorry, I don't remember who I was talking too, but he noticed I had standard aluminum "pop" rivets. He asked me whether I had changed them and I told him it's been like that since I bought the car new. Is there anyone else out there with a 76 with the same thing?

Dave

Hmmmmmmm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Well pulled some rockers a while back on a friends Nov 75 car...And they were aluminum..
BUT did not know if they were original...Looked as if they had NOT been drilled before..
Hmmmmm the mystery thickens.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
They seemed to be pretty small and 'black'.....
Couldah been factory.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)
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post Jun 14 2006, 06:27 PM
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rockers a while back on a friends Nov 75 car...And they were aluminum


I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. Seems there are differentt definitions of what the 'rockers' are. Rockers...what an undescriptive name. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

There are the 'side valences', the long black exterior metal trim panels under the doors that need periodic cleaning. I cannot for the life of me understand why these are called rockers...somebody help me out and tell me. the side velences are attached with aluminum rivets and screws from beneath.

Then there are the 'threshold plates' or 'door sill plates' at the door opening sill, bright aluminum in the early cars, black plastic on the later cars. These were installed with the plastic rivets.
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post Jun 15 2006, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE(914runnow @ Jun 14 2006, 04:18 PM) *

QUOTE(dcheek @ Jun 12 2006, 11:48 AM) *

I had a discussion about the rivets on my 76 at the Danbury CT Zone One event last month. Sorry, I don't remember who I was talking too, but he noticed I had standard aluminum "pop" rivets. He asked me whether I had changed them and I told him it's been like that since I bought the car new. Is there anyone else out there with a 76 with the same thing?

Dave

Hmmmmmmm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Well pulled some rockers a while back on a friends Nov 75 car...And they were aluminum..
BUT did not know if they were original...Looked as if they had NOT been drilled before..
Hmmmmm the mystery thickens.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
They seemed to be pretty small and 'black'.....
Couldah been factory.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)


I also have a '75 (11/74) with the black aluminum rivets on the rockers. Unmolested car. At some point between '74 and '75 the factory made a change from plastic to aluminum. My '74 parts manual still calls for the plastic ones. Now we need some unmolested '74 owners to step forward.

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post Jun 15 2006, 08:50 PM
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rockers a while back on a friends Nov 75 car...And they were aluminum


I was wondering how long it would take for this to come up. Seems there are differentt definitions of what the 'rockers' are. Rockers...what an undescriptive name. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

There are the 'side valences', the long black exterior metal trim panels under the doors that need periodic cleaning. I cannot for the life of me understand why these are called rockers...somebody help me out and tell me. the side velences are attached with aluminum rivets and screws from beneath.

Then there are the 'threshold plates' or 'door sill plates' at the door opening sill, bright aluminum in the early cars, black plastic on the later cars. These were installed with the plastic rivets.


Well Jeff, you are the first one I've heard using the term "side valance". The term "front and rear valance" is used all the time. Rockers is just a short for rocker panel or rocker cover. No big deal. It's in all the books I've read. Been around since '69. P. Paternie uses the phrase in his book as well as numerous articles I've read over the years. Or, we can always call it what the factory called them. "Outer covering for longitudinal member".
Also, not all were attached with aluminum rivets along the top as you state. Only the later ones as we are discussing. The early cars had white plastic rivets (NLA) for the first several years. Check out Johnson's book which is consistant with my cars.

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so now im confused, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
the black plastic rifvits are for the threshold plates only ?
and standard alum pop rivets were OE to secure the the tops
of the rockers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
I can only recall ever seeing the Alum rivits but just assumed that
they had been replaced at suome time.
Jeff what about on the LE's?
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