914-6 GT? Options

[out_0f_exile]

Hi,

Does anyone know how rare a factory 1970 914-6 GT is? My step dad recently came arcoss one and is currently putting it all together (parts had been removed). So if anybody knows much about them or even better, how much they go for at an auction, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

[Brad Roberts]

Pete Stout has something in his signature: "dont believe everything you read"

I think what we read/see are good guides.

Now. I have a questions for the "powers":

Birgit just returned from Germany where she visited a shop outside of Munich that had a LOT of vintage Porsches including a white 916. The guy also had a 904 and MANY 914's in this large facility (covered in dust/crap).

Who owns the white 916?

This is the third 916 she has seen in person (my point is: she knows what she is looking at) She also asked..LOL

Who's shop is this?


B

[scotty b]

Article was on Hussy's car and was written by Brett Johnson so it is probably pretty acurate.

total 1972 production was 240 cars;

Pretty accurate maybe, but still in error. Especially when we have photos of 259 and 260.

Possible misunderstanding on one of our parts. Photos are of #260 in the 1972 model year, or #260 total? Figures in the article would add up to a TOTAL no of cars built at 683 from 71-72 with 240 of those being produced in 72
. Obviously a bit of mystery surrounding the 6's that no-one has definitively cleared up

[Gustl]

Now. I have a questions for the "powers":

Birgit just returned from Germany where she visited a shop outside of Munich that had a LOT of vintage Porsches including a white 916. The guy also had a 904 and MANY 914's in this large facility (covered in dust/crap).

Who owns the white 916?

This is the third 916 she has seen in person (my point is: she knows what she is looking at) She also asked..LOL

Who's shop is this?


B

not that I call myself a "power", but I can tell you the answer:

the shop is "Freisinger Motorsport" in Karlsruhe
they are long term specialists for Porsche and for racing
the car isn't a 916
it's 914.0.43.0376, a former factory test car (for chassis stiffnes) - first it was a narrow body car with steel roof and 2.2 S engine, light ivory
after it's factory time it went through a couple of owners and one of them added the flares and painted it grand prix white - so it looks like a 916
cool detail - Mr. Freisinger added a 2.8 twin plug engine ...
and Mr. Freisinger tells all people that this is a 916 prototype (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

anyhow, it's a very special car, but definitely no 916 ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Brad Roberts]

Thank You Sir!

I thought I had a decent hold on who had 916's and who didnt. I was blown away that a "white" one existed.

She needs to stay away from prototypes!! LOL << several will get that joke (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

and yes.. I consider you a "power" (knowledge is power)

B

[DEC]

Gustl is specially for the 914-6, GT's and the 916's
the guy with the most knowledge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

I think no private person has more informations
about the cars than Gustl (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

[SirAndy]

it's 914.0.43.0376

WOW, only 1 car inbetween my newly accuired /6 (#374) and this car ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Andy

[Quilmes]

<Possible misunderstanding on one of our parts. Photos are of #260 in the 1972 model year, or #260 total? Figures in the article would add up to a TOTAL no of cars built at 683 from 71-72 with 240 of those being produced in 72
. Obviously a bit of mystery surrounding the 6's that no-one has definitively cleared up>


Here it goes, the reason that many people in the United States think that there were only 240 1972 914-6 made is because whom ever translated the " Excellence was expected" Book, made a tipo.
If you pick up a German version you will find that it say that there were 260 914-6 made in 1972 build year.
Many people who have written books about 914s use the Excellence was expected book as a reference(The English version) and do not really due any research on how many where built. All it takes is a few phone calls and leters.
It's the same with a few 914-6 GT running around claiming racing history when I know for a fact that two cars are not really what they claim to be.

That is why George Hussey was so happy when he bought the Red 9142430240, because the English version of most books said #240 was the last one built.
When I brought in 9142430259, George wanted to buy it right on the spot, made me a better offer than the current owner had, but I had made a promise and was not about to stab a person in the back whom with out knowing who I was deposited a lot of money in my bank account with no questions asked.

#260 is currently for sale in Germany, you can also see it on Armando web site.

So yes there were 260 914-6 built in the 72 build year.

But don't forget that the factory also re-did a 914-4 into a M471 914-6 in 1975 for a customer. Anything is possible.

I hope that this helps a bit.

Quilmes

[Gustl]

#260 is currently for sale in Germany, you can also see it on Armando web site.

So yes there were 260 914-6 built in the 72 build year.

But don't forget that the factory also re-did a 914-4 into a M471 914-6 in 1975 for a customer. Anything is possible.

I hope that this helps a bit.

Quilmes

Martin, I'm not sure that #260 is still for sale, the ad is more than half a year old ... but I'm currently trying to find it out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



little comentars to something of the above:
AFAIK there was not one single 914-6 built in 1972 ... they were all built in 1971, but model year 1972 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


it's a fact that #260 is the highest recordet VIN, but nobody knows for sure whats the latest built - another fact is, that all these cars were not built by strictly incrementing VINs
we all know that George claims to have the last - that's possible, but he can't proof it

there's even a 914-4 that got converted to a 914-6 GT by the Porsche Austria Racing Division - this one entered just a few local races and got sold then

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Gustl]

Gustl is specially for the 914-6, GT's and the 916's
the guy with the most knowledge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

I think no private person has more informations
about the cars than Gustl (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

many thanks for the flowers, Wilco (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

but I definitely know a hand full of guys knowing much more about the GTs than me - it's just that I'm permanently in contact with them, so it seems that I know almost everything (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Gustl]

I was blown away that a "white" one existed.

well, the white one exists - 914.2.33.0019


(IMG:http://www.oct.at/wos/916/Nr19.jpg)

you might take a look at my 916 info page

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Brad Roberts]

Interesting. She said there were signs everywhere "NO Pictures" ..LOL

If it wasnt for the controversy surrounding the GT's/M471's916's.. we wouldnt have anything to talk about..LOL

B

[Brad Roberts]

Gustl,

do you know how much the Blue 916 sold for out of the UK? You have it listed as "in restoration" I was in contact with the seller out of the UK. Just curious what it went for?

It is number "17"

Oh.. FYI: Birgit spent a lot of time around the Yellow 916. It typically sits in a shop in Campbell CA. We also have been exposed to the "18" car


B

[Brad Roberts]

Funny thing here on the board:

As soon as someone mentions GT or M471 or 916, the movers and shakers in the 914 community come out of the woodwork.

It appears *somebody* makes a conference call and lets everyone who owns one know that *something* is being said on the board.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


B

[Quilmes]

[
Martin, I'm not sure that #260 is still for sale, the ad is more than half a year old ... but I'm currently trying to find it out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)



little comentars to something of the above:
AFAIK there was not one single 914-6 built in 1972 ... they were all built in 1971, but model year 1972 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


it's a fact that #260 is the highest recordet VIN, but nobody knows for sure whats the latest built - another fact is, that all these cars were not built by strictly incrementing VINs
we all know that George claims to have the last - that's possible, but he can't proof it

there's even a 914-4 that got converted to a 914-6 GT by the Porsche Austria Racing Division - this one entered just a few local races and got sold then

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

Gustl I hope that you are doing well.
I agree with the dates, I think that the re-tooling at porsche is done in August/September. As I was told by Klaus Parr when I was a Porsche a few years back. So the 1972 model 914-6 were possibly built in fisical year 1971. Just like today 2007 model cars already on the street in 2006.


But I know that George does not have the last 914-6 built. for the reason of #259 & #260.
I think that #260 is still for sale as I spoke with Udo two weeks ago, it might be going to California.


Thanks and have a good weekend.
Quilmes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Gustl]

Gustl,

do you know how much the Blue 916 sold for out of the UK? You have it listed as "in restoration" I was in contact with the seller out of the UK. Just curious what it went for?

Brad, #17 was for sale in Germany (and it still is there) - I guess you were in contact with the sales mediator (Dr. H.), just like me
He gave me some background infos titled "top secret" which I absolutely respect. But, as a part of the sales contract he wasn't allowed to tell me neither the price nor the new owner ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[Gustl]

But I know that George does not have the last 914-6 built. for the reason of #259 & #260.

in my opinion we can't know if #240 was the last one built
we know that there are about 20 cars with a higher VIN, but Porsche didn't built them strictly by incrementing VIN and they doesn't have records about the numerical order ...

one indication for #240 to be the last one built would be, that it was used as a factory mule for a couple of years - but off course there's no proof ...

a way to find out more could be to try to get the info of the Karmann chassis numbers of these cars
Dave P. has contacted George but he didn't get 'em (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
I tried to get this data from #260 - no luck till now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

I guess we will never know it for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[GWN7]

If I remember #17 went to Italy..... Or Dr. H indicated it was going there........

[Gustl]

If I remember #17 went to Italy..... Or Dr. H indicated it was going there........

from which date is this info?
once I heared a rumor that the car will go to Italy, but there was also a rumor that it will go to Japan (there was definitely a serious interest, but this deal didn't happen)

one month ago #17 was still is germany - that's a fact (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl

[GWN7]

This was when it was listed here forsale....... a couple years ago
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[gms]

Hey Brad, long time no hear from
Just finished up a consulting gig in Chicago (9 months) and now it is time to play with the cars again!!!