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| billd |
 Jun 15 2006, 02:48 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 25-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,145  |
I just acquired a 66 912 that has been "stored" for the last 20 years. It was last registered in the 1980s and the PO does not have a title. How hard is it to register such a car? I have a bill of sale and copies of the three previous bills of sale, but no title. DMV has no record of this car in their database.
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| Dr. Roger |
Jun 15 2006, 02:58 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
I did this on my last motorcycle. out of state no less.
I sent a REGISTERED letter to the last title holder asking for title. It came back returned stating person doesn't live here anymore. the DMV asked for title, i showed them my bill of sale. They told me i had to prove that i attempted to contact the previous owner via registered mail to get the title. i pulled out the returned registered envelope and gave it to the DMV person. they looked surprised as most people don't come prepared with proof. they gave me a sticker and title on the spot. maybe that will help... =-) |
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| lapuwali |
Jun 15 2006, 03:34 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
There's a specific form the DMV will have you fill out. If you have a bill of sale, it will be easier, but even that isn't necessary, as the DMV form is an affadavit.
You'll be required to take the car to a CHP station (you'll need to make an appt for this) to have the VIN verified by a CHP officer, which involves another form. Once you do that, pay the fees, you'll get a title in your name, and can register the car normally. I did this with a car that wasn't just out of state, but out of country (a '64 Mini from Australia). No title, no bill of sale, no nothing. Just me and the car. The VIN number (which, essentially, had to be "made up" on the spot, as the Oz serial number plate has the "VIN" in two parts: model and serial number). A CHP officer is also entitled to "assign" a VIN, for example, to a kit car. If the car is still in the DMV system (which it won't be), then you can't take this route. If it's out, then no problem. |
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| Leo Imperial |
Jun 15 2006, 07:54 PM
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Do you have to use so many cuss words? Group: Members Posts: 906 Joined: 29-November 04 From: 914 Roadshow - Glen Cove NY Member No.: 3,192 Region Association: None |
I did it a few months back with a 74' bus that had no papers. DMV had no records, which seems to make it easier. Get the form as stated by lapuwali and have the PO write a note stating they are the current owner selling it to you and sign it. I was surprised how easy it was.
BTW - I always visit the DMV prior to registering. This way you are prepared prior to waiting in line. |
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| Brando |
Jun 15 2006, 09:12 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
I am suprised no-one has mentioned... Didn't california just pass a law that if your vehicle has not been registered in this state within the last 6 or 8 years it cannot be registered at all?
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| Lou W |
Jun 15 2006, 09:16 PM
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"Here Kitty Kitty" my ass...... Group: Members Posts: 4,109 Joined: 9-May 04 From: Roseburg, OR. Member No.: 2,039 Region Association: Spain |
QUOTE(Brando @ Jun 15 2006, 08:12 PM)  I am suprised no-one has mentioned... Didn't california just pass a law that if your vehicle has not been registered in this state within the last 6 or 8 years it cannot be registered at all? Sounds like another urban myth (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| Dave_Darling |
Jun 15 2006, 10:06 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,986 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California 
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| DanT |
Jun 15 2006, 10:20 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
another project Bill?
Is one of those 6s going to find a home in that car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| lapuwali |
Jun 15 2006, 10:42 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
QUOTE(Brando @ Jun 15 2006, 08:12 PM) I am suprised no-one has mentioned... Didn't california just pass a law that if your vehicle has not been registered in this state within the last 6 or 8 years it cannot be registered at all? So, no one can import a car from out of state anymore, even if they're moving here? Sorry, I don't buy that. |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 16 2006, 12:35 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
AAA or DMV can do a VIN verification....best to trailer it or get a one day pass to drive it....
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| billd |
Jun 16 2006, 01:08 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 25-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,145 |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Jun 15 2006, 09:20 PM) another project Bill? This is a background project. Getting the 914-6 on the road is my foreground project. Given that the 914-6 is getting only a few hours a month of my time, the 912 is not going to get much attention until its done. QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Jun 15 2006, 09:20 PM) That was my original plan. However, as I learn more about the 1.6L Porsche 4 in the car I'm considering leaving it as is. Its a much nicer engine than the 2.0L VW 4 in my 914-4. |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 16 2006, 01:12 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Only restrictions on CA cars or motorcycle is that a used car has to have 7500 miles or more on it.
A non CA, but US smog approved car can't be brought in unless it was previously registered in another state and has the 7500 miles. |
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| billd |
Jun 16 2006, 01:12 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 25-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,145 |
Thanks much for the advice. I finally found where on the DMV page it discusses this.
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/reg_hdbk_pdf/ch08.pdf I've collected the paperwork and made an appointment at the DMV in a week. Unfortunately it looks like its going to take two trips - one trip to file the paperwork and get a temporary permit, and then a second trip to get the car verified. It also looks like I'm going to loose the original license plates. For vehicles newer than 1962 the state takes the plates if there is any lapse in registration that is not covered by a PNO. Bummer. |
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| highways |
Jun 16 2006, 02:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 613 Joined: 18-June 05 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 4,296 |
So now that this is sorta figured out... next question is.....
How do you get historical vehicle status (and plates!)? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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| SLITS |
Jun 16 2006, 10:42 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
You walk in....get hysterical.....they slap a straight jacket on ya and stamp you hysterical....
Oh wait..... That's Metro State Hospital... Nevermind.... |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 16 2006, 10:45 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
First, yer car has to be 25 years old....next you have to find the statute online, then...here's the hard part....ya gotta find a DMV weenie that knows what the Fuch yer talking about...THAT's the hard part.
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 16 2006, 10:51 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
BTW....find a good set of BLACK plates....eBay or whatever and you should have a good chance of getting them assigned. The 356 registry crowd is all over that......you can also do a number series in a personalized plate and then redo it in black.....
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| billd |
Jun 16 2006, 02:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 327 Joined: 25-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,145 |
QUOTE(mikez @ Jun 16 2006, 09:51 AM) BTW....find a good set of BLACK plates....eBay or whatever and you should have a good chance of getting them assigned. The 356 registry crowd is all over that......you can also do a number series in a personalized plate and then redo it in black..... What are the chances that the DMV will let me assign a set of black plates (which are the period correct plates for a '66) to my car? My understanding from the DMV website is that they only allow period correct plates on '62 and earlier cars. See 14.100 in http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/reg_hdbk_pdf/ch14.pdf |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 16 2006, 02:55 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Sometimes you can BS them into doing it....
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| BMartin914 |
Jul 5 2006, 10:16 AM
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||| Group: Members Posts: 1,408 Joined: 30-May 04 From: Oregon Member No.: 2,128 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
In Colorado, to establish a new title or a salvage title for a vehicle without one, you are required to: verify that there are no liens, etc. (by doing a title search and attempting to contact the original owner as roger said) on the vehicle, get an appraisal (from a dealer since NADA and KBB don't go back more than 15 yrs.) and then purchase a Surety Bond for twice the amount of the appraisal - then present all of this to the DMV and they will issue you a title (Normal or Salvage depending on the vehicle's value).
Can anyone clarify what a Surety Bond is? I may need to do this for 2 vehicles soon and I can't find anything that cleary explains what a Surety Bond is that secures a MV title. |
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