 Considering 914-6 purchase, Anyone familiar with this car & VIR? |
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| rwjames |
 Jun 22 2006, 11:31 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Montgomery, AL Member No.: 6,136 Region Association: South East States  |
I have been contemplating purchasing an orginal 914-6 and have been emailing Randall Yow at VIR Gallery about this 1970 he has for sell (See link). Is anyone familiar with this car? He said it came from Arizona and it has been restored.
http://www.virgallery.com/Orange9146.html Close up photo's show some detail issues that need attention, scratched windshield and roll bar trim, peeling paint in engine compartment, gummy looking carbs...Not local to me so I would like to do more research before making the trek. Does anyone know anything about this car? Has anyone ever done business with Randall and what were your experiences? Price on the car is $23,500 which seems a little high, but supply is low and demand is high. The six prices seem to keep rising on these and I'm thinking of getting in while I still can, but not sure if this is the one. Thanks for your info and comments. |
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| turboman808 |
Jun 22 2006, 01:51 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,718 Joined: 31-January 06 From: North Jersey Member No.: 5,505 Region Association: North East States |
Yep the good thing is you can buy these and turn around and get your money back if you deceide to sell.
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 22 2006, 01:58 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
QUOTE(turboman808 @ Jun 22 2006, 12:51 PM)  Yep the good thing is you can buy these and turn around and get your money back if you deceide to sell. WHAT? Certificates of deposit are investments. Stocks and bonds are investments, and real estate is usually an investment. Cars are a means of transportation, and some of them are fun, but NONE of them can or should be considered an investment. We have a name for people who think cars are an investment. We call 'em "suckers". The Cap'n |
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| lapuwali |
Jun 22 2006, 02:14 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jun 22 2006, 12:58 PM) QUOTE(turboman808 @ Jun 22 2006, 12:51 PM) Yep the good thing is you can buy these and turn around and get your money back if you deceide to sell. WHAT? Certificates of deposit are investments. Stocks and bonds are investments, and real estate is usually an investment. Cars are a means of transportation, and some of them are fun, but NONE of them can or should be considered an investment. We have a name for people who think cars are an investment. We call 'em "suckers". The Cap'n I mostly agree, though with slight reservations. Cars that have literally become "investment-grade" (and they do exist) have ceased to be cars. They're now art, which only retain their value if the only time their wheels turn is when they're pushed on or off the trailer at Pebble Beach or the auction house. Who would've thought Camaros would ever be $100K cars? Yet, several sell for that at Barrett-Jackson every year. I'm sure they sit in climate-controlled garages 51 weeks of the year, brought out only for shows, before they reappear at the auction house to go to the next owner. These aren't cars anymore. |
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| turboman808 |
Jun 22 2006, 02:20 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,718 Joined: 31-January 06 From: North Jersey Member No.: 5,505 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jun 22 2006, 11:58 AM) WHAT? Certificates of deposit are investments. Stocks and bonds are investments, and real estate is usually an investment. Cars are a means of transportation, and some of them are fun, but NONE of them can or should be considered an investment. We have a name for people who think cars are an investment. We call 'em "suckers". The Cap'n I hardly call getting you money back an investment. But if thats how you see an investment then I feel sorry for your portfolio. |
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| ptravnic |
Jun 22 2006, 02:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,231 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 747 Region Association: None 
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car = investment
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) if one needs this type of justification (as misguided as it may be) then one needs to rethink things... Not to mention, $23K seems like alot for a 6 that needs work... |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 22 2006, 02:26 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Just drive the damn thing and brag when someone asks if it's a six....
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| SirAndy |
Jun 22 2006, 02:34 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,648 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jun 22 2006, 12:58 PM) and real estate is usually an investment only if you pay cash out of your pocket. otherwise, it's a *liability* until it's paid off ... and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with you on the car part ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Andy |
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| Al Meredith |
Jun 22 2006, 07:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 960 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Atlanta, ga Member No.: 3,061 |
At first the wheels through me, I have a real 6 and it came with chrome steel wheels 5.5 / 15 . Car looks good but I wish 20K was the going rate. I think it is high I think for that kind of money it better be a 10. Check out WWW.edmonds.com or KBB.com or pelican parts something to get a better idea. Al
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| Brad Roberts |
Jun 22 2006, 08:33 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
I think 23.5 is high also. It might be a 18-19 car with some of the stuff that needs some detail work.
It does appear to be nice however. I like the color combo. The wheels through me also. The cars I have seen with steel wheels were chrome also. B |
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| DonTraver |
Jun 23 2006, 12:48 AM
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Actually, the stock wheels are painted. I've got my 6's stock wheels, my sted dad was still running them when I bought it from him. Chrome is a upgrade.
Later, Don |
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| JmuRiz |
Jun 23 2006, 10:10 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,427 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Looks like there is some trunk rust, I'd check that out (at that price). You can see the rust bleed through the rear edge of the trunk carpet.
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| gms |
Jun 23 2006, 10:39 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,695 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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I can give you history (if I have it) if you provide the VIN
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| Brett W |
Jun 23 2006, 04:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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I have seen the car in person, but it was last year. It is in decent condition but not 23K decent. Everything in the VIR stable is very expensive. I would say there is a premium of 5K at least on the cars there.
There is a 356 in the barn that is listed for some insane price. I think 100k. http://www.virgallery.com/Carimages2/HotRod2.html I think it has a T4 in it. |
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| rwjames |
Jun 23 2006, 07:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 2-June 06 From: Montgomery, AL Member No.: 6,136 Region Association: South East States |
The VIN is 9140432498.
He believes it is a 2 or maybe 1 owner car. He PO told him he purchased the car in 1974, but he has paperwork or invoices going back to 1970 with the PO's name on them. He recently performed a tune up, replaced the oil return hoses and replaced the shifter bushings. The first gear syncro is shot and the driver's seat cushion seems are rotten. A partial tool kit is included, probably missing a screwdriver or so, owner's manual included, dog bone missing, and the car was recently repainted. He claims the car runs good and is rust free, including inner rockers and battery area. It has the original steel wheels with the correct size tires. He is firm on the price of $23,500. Not a lot of sixes on the market, but compare price to Irish Green car in CA for $29,500, $22,000 six on Craigs list with incorrect engine and paint color, and questionable '72 six in Nevada. This car will definately need a little work to bring up to snuff, but maybe not that far off, given today's jump in prices. What do you think? |
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| Gustl |
Jun 24 2006, 04:10 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,506 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria  |
if this car would be here in Europe for the same price I'd be more than happy to buy it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
well, but that's another topic ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) now that we know the VIN I'm sure - this car was for sale on eBay somewhen late in 2004 or early 2005, unfortunately I just saved the pics, not the auction text (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) in Oct 2005 I've found it on the VIR homepage and contacted the seller (not knowing, that's the same car than on eBay before) he sent me about 9 MB hi-res photos with some detail shots - if you're interested, just let me know (and tell me your eMail) I discussed the car with a friend here in Austria (who often imports cars from the States), but he told me that the overall price for me (including shipping to Austria, customs fees, getting it street legal in Austria, registration, the little work that's to do on it, ...) would raise up to somewhere in the 28-30 k EUR range (that's about 35-38 k USD) and then, there's still the risk if the car is that good it seemed to be ... you will agree - that's far too much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl |
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| Gustl |
Jun 24 2006, 04:18 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,506 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
forgot to tell you
if you're looking for a nice high-price 914-6, there is a really nice one just in the neighbourhood for SirAndy 914.0.43.0882 I would love it - but same as above ... overall price till I could drive it here in Austria far too high (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl Attached image(s)  
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| olav |
Jun 24 2006, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE(Gustl @ Jun 24 2006, 03:18 AM) forgot to tell you if your looking for a nice high-price 914-6, there is a really nice one just in the neighbourhood for SirAndy 914.0.43.0882 I would love it - but same as above ... overall price till I could drive it here in Austria far too high (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl How much are they asking for this one? |
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| Gustl |
Jun 24 2006, 08:22 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,506 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
QUOTE(olav @ Jun 24 2006, 02:30 PM) How much are they asking for this one? $ 26,500 sorry, forgot to post the link (IMG:http://www.oct.at/images/Smile_oh_no.gif) 1970 - 914-6 - matallic red (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl |
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| horizontally-opposed |
Jun 24 2006, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(Gustl @ Jun 24 2006, 07:22 AM) QUOTE(olav @ Jun 24 2006, 02:30 PM) How much are they asking for this one? $ 26,500 sorry, forgot to post the link (IMG:http://www.oct.at/images/Smile_oh_no.gif) 1970 - 914-6 - matallic red (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) Gustl Hey Gusti! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif) I went and looked at this car and it's not really THAT nice... By that I mean it is a great 914, a 6 that has plenty of eye appeal and a VERY good ownership history. But the paint is so-so and it's hardly super clean when you get down to the details. I guess what I am trying to say is I didn't walk away saying WOW! -- and I'd want to when spending $25-35K on a teener. This one sure does photograph well, though.... I'd buy the black car @ $22K before this one @ $26K -- but then I haven't seen the black one in person. What Irish Green car?!? pete |
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