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> Weltmeister vs. Ground Control rear coilover conversion kit?, anybody have experience with these?
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post Jun 22 2006, 09:58 PM
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Weltmeister
http://www.automotion.com/productpage.aspx...il+Over+Kit+914

Ground Control Coil-Over Conversion Kit (little down the page)
http://www.livermoreperformance.com/porsche_suspension.html

anybody compared the kits. raced with either? can anybody suggest spring rates? the weltmeister kit starts at 150lb and goes on up to 300. before coilovers i was thinking about the 150-180lb range. dont know what the rates are for the ground control kit.
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post Jun 22 2006, 09:59 PM
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35 bucks a side plus springs i belive....


look at my blog. lots of pics.
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post Jun 22 2006, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(Aaron Cox @ Jun 22 2006, 08:59 PM) *

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35 bucks a side plus springs i belive....


look at my blog. lots of pics.


did you diy out of universal components or was this stuff part of a 914 specific kit? i couldn't find it.
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post Jun 22 2006, 10:06 PM
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i got my setup from rich at HPH. forgot what i paid for it, call him and ask ...

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post Jun 22 2006, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 22 2006, 09:06 PM) *

i got my setup from rich at HPH. forgot what i paid for it, call him and ask ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Andy


remember manufacturer(s) name? i see eibach springs, who makes the rest?

who makes ein superior produkt?
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post Jun 22 2006, 10:17 PM
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generic for bilstein and koni struts....

basic bilstein
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coleman adpater rings makes OD slightly larger to avoid dropping a perch (happen to grantsfo iiirc)
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5" collar 2.04 ID iirc....
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spring and top hat
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post Jun 22 2006, 10:20 PM
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Andy's are ground control like mine.
I have a set of "like new" 150# Eibach rear springs I'll sell.

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post Jun 22 2006, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Jun 22 2006, 09:24 PM) *

nothing special about either kit unless you like to throw money away for a fancy name......

the threaded tube and perch are just chunks of aluminum, one is no better than the other...some people think that the Eibach springs are better than the cheaper coil over springs sold by the circle-track guys....I doubt anyone here would know the differance unless you are a paid professional...if it makes you feel good to spend the extra money and throw around names like "ground-control or weltmeister or even Eibach" knock yourself out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So you recommend keeping everything stock, right? If not, what did YOU do?
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post Jun 22 2006, 10:32 PM
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I think the adj perches were around $25 ea. And the the Eibach's were $125 for the pair.

Is that "expensive"?


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post Jun 22 2006, 10:36 PM
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i think he's simply recommend i dont base my decision on name or price... id have to agree, i was planning on basing my decision on fellow 914 enthusiasts experience. so far ive discovered there may be a cheaper bolt on alternative to the kits i suggested (ala aaron cox), not sure of p/ns and manufacturers yet.

trekkor, how much for springs? the perches for coilovers are all thats needed beyond struts/springs? 25$ for ground control each?
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post Jun 22 2006, 10:49 PM
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How about $90 inc shipping?

Check prices with Rich on the perches.


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post Jun 23 2006, 12:38 PM
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I've got eibach 200#'s and QA1 225#'s, and i must say that the QA1's, which were significantly cheaper, were also significantly heavier.
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i have AFCO - afcoil springs... 225 rate....

30 a pair NEW - got a smoking deal...


the dirt track guys have lots of cheap take off springs
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post Jun 23 2006, 12:44 PM
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I think what I like most about ground control is that ordering various rate springs is pretty cheap. $60 a spring last time I ordered.
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post Jun 23 2006, 12:46 PM
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Awsome, I was just looking for ALL of this info as my car is stink bugging pretty bad.

Thanks guys!
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I think what I like most about ground control is that ordering various rate springs is pretty cheap. $60 a spring last time I ordered.


uh... hypercoils, eibachs and others are cheaper or the same price (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jun 23 2006, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Aaron Cox @ Jun 22 2006, 10:59 PM) *

colemanracing.com

35 bucks a side plus springs i belive...


To show my ignorance, when you put adjustable spring perches on do you have to weld them on or do they sit over the top of the shock held on by the spring?

Now they are $37.65 minimum...

Mike
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post Jun 23 2006, 02:20 PM
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Hypercoils run about 60 per pair. they go in 5lb increments. See paragon-products.com.

The coleman option looks like a great bang for the buck
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QUOTE(Aaron Cox @ Jun 22 2006, 10:59 PM) *

colemanracing.com

35 bucks a side plus springs i belive...


To show my ignorance, when you put adjustable spring perches on do you have to weld them on or do they sit over the top of the shock held on by the spring?

Now they are $37.65 minimum...

Mike


look at the pics i posted, and in my blog.
they sit on a circlip (on koni's and bilsteins)

37 each side + 2 "adapter rings" (search it at coleman, 5 bucks each) + springs. DONE
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Hypercoils run about 60 per pair. they go in 5lb increments. See paragon-products.com.

The coleman option looks like a great bang for the buck


no way they are 60 a pair... they are 60 each....
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