Weltmeister
http://www.automotion.com/productpage.aspx...il+Over+Kit+914

Ground Control Coil-Over Conversion Kit (little down the page)
http://www.livermoreperformance.com/porsche_suspension.html

anybody compared the kits. raced with either? can anybody suggest spring rates? the weltmeister kit starts at 150lb and goes on up to 300. before coilovers i was thinking about the 150-180lb range. dont know what the rates are for the ground control kit.

colemanracing.com

35 bucks a side plus springs i belive....


look at my blog. lots of pics.

did you diy out of universal components or was this stuff part of a 914 specific kit? i couldn't find it.

i got my setup from rich at HPH. forgot what i paid for it, call him and ask ...

Andy

remember manufacturer(s) name? i see eibach springs, who makes the rest?

who makes ein superior produkt?

generic for bilstein and koni struts....

basic bilstein


coleman adpater rings makes OD slightly larger to avoid dropping a perch (happen to grantsfo iiirc)


5" collar 2.04 ID iirc....


spring and top hat

Andy's are ground control like mine.
I have a set of "like new" 150# Eibach rear springs I'll sell.

KT

So you recommend keeping everything stock, right? If not, what did YOU do?

I think the adj perches were around $25 ea. And the the Eibach's were $125 for the pair.

Is that "expensive"?


KT

i think he's simply recommend i dont base my decision on name or price... id have to agree, i was planning on basing my decision on fellow 914 enthusiasts experience. so far ive discovered there may be a cheaper bolt on alternative to the kits i suggested (ala aaron cox), not sure of p/ns and manufacturers yet.

trekkor, how much for springs? the perches for coilovers are all thats needed beyond struts/springs? 25$ for ground control each?

How about $90 inc shipping?

Check prices with Rich on the perches.


KT

I've got eibach 200#'s and QA1 225#'s, and i must say that the QA1's, which were significantly cheaper, were also significantly heavier.

i have AFCO - afcoil springs... 225 rate....

30 a pair NEW - got a smoking deal...


the dirt track guys have lots of cheap take off springs

I think what I like most about ground control is that ordering various rate springs is pretty cheap. $60 a spring last time I ordered.

Awsome, I was just looking for ALL of this info as my car is stink bugging pretty bad.

Thanks guys!

uh... hypercoils, eibachs and others are cheaper or the same price

To show my ignorance, when you put adjustable spring perches on do you have to weld them on or do they sit over the top of the shock held on by the spring?

Now they are $37.65 minimum...

Mike

Hypercoils run about 60 per pair. they go in 5lb increments. See paragon-products.com.

The coleman option looks like a great bang for the buck

look at the pics i posted, and in my blog.
they sit on a circlip (on koni's and bilsteins)

37 each side + 2 "adapter rings" (search it at coleman, 5 bucks each) + springs. DONE

no way they are 60 a pair... they are 60 each....

I have the Weltmeisters. Got them about eight or ten years ago, when nobody else would fess up to making 'em for 914s. They work fine--nothing super special about them. The springs are short enough that they come off the perches at full droop (e.g., when the car is on jack stands) so you have to take care putting the car back on the ground. You can (and I did) zip-tie the springs to the upper perch, through the holes provided for that purpose. But it is not a complete cure.

Nowadays, I'd give the cheapie ones some very serious consideration...

--DD

or we could all just engineer threaded body shocks and not have to get coilover sleeves

bilstein has some great racer shocks that are completely "racer rebuild"-able and sell bazillions of valving kits....

The reason I buy Eibach springs:

I *could* buy them in lower increments for fine tuning compared to the dirt track spring rates which would jump in 50lb increments. I also needed the option of spring height. 8inch/10inch/12inch. Some of the others in the past didnt have many options.

I went with Ground Control components because they support OUR industry (AutoX+Road racing) I use Coleman for other products and have since 1993. I like their brake rotors and hats (this is what they are known)

I also get what I pay for. The quality of the Ground Control stuff (that everyone can make) is FAR better than the cheap appearing, cheaply made cast stuff that Coleman sells. I have also noticed the Coleman threaded pieces have a lot of "slack" in them compared to the more precise GC units.

My .02


B

do ground control setups use a double nut approach to locking the perch? or do they do a set screw like coleman?

i somewhat agree with brad, the sleeves coleman makes are nice. the perch ring/nut does have a little slack. each perch is sold in 2.04 and 2.08 ID setups... they also sell a little adapter ring to take up any slack between the body and the sleeve....

AA

Well, I must have received a 1/2 price discount.

that would be killer if you did....

I am talking about the springs, not the perch kit - and yes 60-65$ bux from paragon

Thanks. .

so the coleman parts are cast and the ground control kits have machined t6 or something similar?

The springs are typically 50-60 a piece.