 What SCCA class am I?, 73 1.7 914 |
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| Stieve |
 Jun 29 2006, 02:50 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 6-May 06 From: Sacramento Member No.: 5,996  |
I have a Stock 73 1.7L 914 with an Autopower race roll bar. Everything is stock at this point, I was goint to add the factory sway bars, and Poly bushings, and perhaps Ferodo pads, It have Rivera wheels on it, and was considering Cookie cutter wheels depending on what size fits, adn 5 lug conversion.
Thanks in advance Stieve |
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| brant |
Jun 29 2006, 03:24 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,617 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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auto x or wheel to wheel?
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| jhadler |
Jun 29 2006, 05:06 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
I don't know about wheel to wheel, maybe ITC? Not sure.
For autox, it depends... Do you want to fallow the letter of the rule, and be 100% legal? If so, that 5-lug conversion is gonna bump you way up. SM2 or one of the prepared classes. However, if that's ALL you've got that isn't stock (roll bars are legal in all classes), then you could probably just run in E-Stock so long as you're still running skinny wheels. If you've got wider wheels (especially if you flared), then it'll be hard to get away with running stock at all. For the most part, no one will care much if you have one single minor mod that bumps you out of E-Stock unless you start winning... Another option might be to run STS-2, but again, the 5-lug conversion is technically not legal. For local events, I doubt it matters. Either E-Stock or STS-2 depending on which you prefer (STS-2 requires a treadwear rating of 140 or greater for the tires, E-Stock allows any DOT rated tire, incuding DOT race tires)... -Josh2 |
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| Dominic L |
Jun 29 2006, 06:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 89 Joined: 9-July 05 From: Little Falls, NJ. Member No.: 4,393 |
For autocross (Solo as the SCCA calls it), all stock 914's run in c stock against miata's, mr2's etc. I was a bit surprised too because of the hp disadvantage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Go here for all the rules: http://www.scca.com/_FileLibrary/File/2006_solo_rules.pdf Open appendix a, click stock, and scroll down to page 168. |
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| Dave-O |
Jun 29 2006, 08:44 PM
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Is winter done yet? Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Minneapols, MN Member No.: 1,082 |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) ALL 4 cyl 914's are in CS. STS2 seems like a better place for a 1.7L. You get to do almost all the suspension stuff you want plus wider wheels.
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| Stieve |
Jun 29 2006, 10:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 6-May 06 From: Sacramento Member No.: 5,996 |
QUOTE(Dave-O @ Jun 29 2006, 07:44 PM)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) ALL 4 cyl 914's are in CS. STS2 seems like a better place for a 1.7L. You get to do almost all the suspension stuff you want plus wider wheels. So who classes you? Is it on inspection? |
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| Dave-O |
Jun 30 2006, 06:39 AM
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Is winter done yet? Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Minneapols, MN Member No.: 1,082 |
SCCA Solo 2 is a self policing system. You are responsible for classing yourself and making sure your car is legal for the class. The event officials could care less if your car is legal, they have more important things to worry about. Fellow compeditors are allowed to protest illegal car modifications and improper car classification. There is more information on how this works in the rulebook (which can be very confusing but has all the information you need).
Go here to download the rulebook for free. http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=0C2...=050|070&~= Just post back if you have any more questions, we are all happy to answer them. I'm off to the SCCA national tour event in Milwaukee!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jun 30 2006, 07:19 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Places 914's run in SCCA Autocross
914-6 B stock 914-4 all C Stock 914 with suspension and carbs and wheels ignition. D street Prepared 914-6 with above Hell I don't know ASP ???????? 914 with hopped up motor big ass wheels suspension no fiberglass lids SM-2 914 with suspension and 7" wheels and strat tires STS2 914-6 Like JP's fiberglass everything F prepared 914-4 like mine X prepared not much that isn't legal (under prepared but so what). |
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| Stieve |
Jun 30 2006, 09:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 6-May 06 From: Sacramento Member No.: 5,996 |
QUOTE(Joe Ricard @ Jun 30 2006, 06:19 PM) Places 914's run in SCCA Autocross 914-6 B stock 914-4 all C Stock 914 with suspension and carbs and wheels ignition. D street Prepared 914-6 with above Hell I don't know ASP ???????? 914 with hopped up motor big ass wheels suspension no fiberglass lids SM-2 914 with suspension and 7" wheels and strat tires STS2 914-6 Like JP's fiberglass everything F prepared 914-4 like mine X prepared not much that isn't legal (under prepared but so what). So a Stock 914 with drilled 914 rotors for 5 lug is what 914-4 C Stock? |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jul 1 2006, 08:00 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
QUOTE(Stieve @ Jun 30 2006, 10:43 PM) QUOTE(Joe Ricard @ Jun 30 2006, 06:19 PM) Places 914's run in SCCA Autocross 914-6 B stock 914-4 all C Stock 914 with suspension and carbs and wheels ignition. D street Prepared 914-6 with above Hell I don't know ASP ???????? 914 with hopped up motor big ass wheels suspension no fiberglass lids SM-2 914 with suspension and 7" wheels and strat tires STS2 914-6 Like JP's fiberglass everything F prepared 914-4 like mine X prepared not much that isn't legal (under prepared but so what). So a Stock 914 with drilled 914 rotors for 5 lug is what 914-4 C Stock? NOPE D Street prepared. Sorry dude welcome to the world of organized (well sort of) SCCA rules. Stock is stock. I've see at divisional events a Miata get protested because the dome light cover was missing. Yea it was a weenie protest from a guy that was losing. The only advantage you have is nobody has seen a realy stock 914 in 20 years. If it is stock then it is probably owned by one of them consourse weenies and there ain't NO WAY he will or should AX it. Unless I tech your car, would be tough to get something by me or a fellow 914 owner that has had several of these cars apart. Technically turbo tie rods put you in Street prepared. the popular 140lb rear springs do as well. If it comes witha sway bar it has to stay. A VIN indicating car came with a 1.7 D-jet and you swap in a 2.0L D-jet put you in street mod. Sticky point that would probably stand. early cars are lighter adding more power is unfair. You would have to do a complete year option upgrade. effectively having a 73 or later car. Oh and Paul's car is Something MOD E Mod I think. |
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| Dave-O |
Jul 2 2006, 08:15 PM
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Is winter done yet? Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Minneapols, MN Member No.: 1,082 |
QUOTE A VIN indicating car came with a 1.7 D-jet and you swap in a 2.0L D-jet put you in street mod. Not quite...Updating/backdating is allowed in street prepared. Why do you think those '90 CSP Miatas are so fast. Early light weight chassis with a '99 1.8l. |
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| Stieve |
Jul 2 2006, 08:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 6-May 06 From: Sacramento Member No.: 5,996 |
QUOTE(Dave-O @ Jul 2 2006, 07:15 PM) QUOTE A VIN indicating car came with a 1.7 D-jet and you swap in a 2.0L D-jet put you in street mod. Not quite...Updating/backdating is allowed in street prepared. Why do you think those '90 CSP Miatas are so fast. Early light weight chassis with a '99 1.8l. Ok, I have a 73 1.7 914, with a rebuilt 1.7 bus case. Rivera wheels, and sway factory bars. So where am I and what can I do if anything? I want to do 5 lug eventually... Thanks in advance. Stieve |
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| Dave-O |
Jul 2 2006, 08:32 PM
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Is winter done yet? Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Minneapols, MN Member No.: 1,082 |
QUOTE(Stieve @ Jul 2 2006, 09:21 PM) QUOTE(Dave-O @ Jul 2 2006, 07:15 PM) QUOTE A VIN indicating car came with a 1.7 D-jet and you swap in a 2.0L D-jet put you in street mod. Not quite...Updating/backdating is allowed in street prepared. Why do you think those '90 CSP Miatas are so fast. Early light weight chassis with a '99 1.8l. Ok, I have a 73 1.7 914, with a rebuilt 1.7 bus case. Rivera wheels, and sway factory bars. So where am I and what can I do if anything? I want to do 5 lug eventually... Thanks in advance. Stieve If the motor is running stock injection and the Rivera wheels have the same offset as stock, you could run in C-stock. If the motor has carbs you would be in D-Street Prepared. If just the wheels have a different size/offset you could run in DSP or STS2. Technically the bus case could bump you into Street Mod but I wouldn't worry about it. If you're new to this, Just keep the car as is and work on driving! It is the most important place to start. Many local regions have street tire classes, so you could just put a (relatively) cheap set of street tires on the car and not have to compete against the cars that have race tires. However, these classes can vary significantly from club to club so contact your local region. I hope this helps. |
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| jhadler |
Jul 3 2006, 10:44 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
Joe,
The turbo tie ros and the 5-lugs are tecnically not legal untill you get to prepared. But who's gonna notice???? -Josh2 |
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| Stieve |
Jul 3 2006, 10:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 587 Joined: 6-May 06 From: Sacramento Member No.: 5,996 |
Stock fuel injected 1.7, I was going to add Poly bushings
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| Dave-O |
Jul 4 2006, 09:06 AM
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Is winter done yet? Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 26-August 03 From: Minneapols, MN Member No.: 1,082 |
QUOTE(Stieve @ Jul 3 2006, 11:58 PM) Stock fuel injected 1.7, I was going to add Poly bushings If the wheels are stock you are a C-stock car. The poly bushings will put you in STS2. |
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| J P Stein |
Jul 4 2006, 09:44 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Joe Ricard @ Jun 30 2006, 06:19 PM) Places 914's run in SCCA Autocross 914-6 B stock 914-4 all C Stock 914 with suspension and carbs and wheels ignition. D street Prepared 914-6 with above Hell I don't know ASP ???????? 914 with hopped up motor big ass wheels suspension no fiberglass lids SM-2 914 with suspension and 7" wheels and strat tires STS2 914-6 Like JP's fiberglass everything F prepared 914-4 like mine X prepared not much that isn't legal (under prepared but so what). Were I to go to a National Tour event, E Mod would cause me fewer problems. |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jul 4 2006, 11:27 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Were I to go to a National Tour event, E Mod would cause me fewer problems. [/quote] Or get a 200lb trunk monkey. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
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| bjinright |
May 14 2008, 06:10 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 9-June 06 From: Montgomery, ALABAMA Member No.: 6,192 |
I have a 74 1.8 with carbs and I am in c stock. On the basis that the 914 did come with carbs in euro. They did ask about the size and the venturies though.
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| jhadler |
May 14 2008, 06:59 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
QUOTE(bjinright @ May 14 2008, 05:10 PM) I have a 74 1.8 with carbs and I am in c stock. On the basis that the 914 did come with carbs in euro. They did ask about the size and the venturies though. Well, in SCCA stock classing, a euro spec car is as good as a fully prepared racer. For stock, it's gotta be as you could have received it from the factory in the US. But if the people in you local region don't care, then it pretty much doesn't matter. But just know that a carb'd 914 is in DSP if the motor is still stock (regardless of displacement). And if pretty much anything inside the motor has been altered, look out... -Josh2 |
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