Engine of the Bay Options

[StratPlayer]

Looks like its ready to rock

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...item=2437498155

[Aaron Cox]

140 hp? out of a 2.0? gots to be a 2270 right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[mharrison]

I'll be honest with you, I'd be a little leary of someone who claims to have a $6500 zero mile engine with rusty pulleys and dirty tin. Particularly if they are selling it for $3900. I wouldn't expect anybody who wouldn't pay attention to those details to build a quality engine. I could slap a couple of Webers on an old POS 1.8 that I've got and say the same thing. 140 is quite a claim for a 2.0. He didn't mention ANYTHING that had been done to it. He's got a feedback rating of 1. He sold something and got positive feedback a year ago. Thats not the kind of track record I'd be looking for if I was sending $3900 to somebody.

Just my 2 cents.

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[biosurfer1]

says he'll take 3900 for it? uh, might want to let him know that he has it listed for 2500 with no reserve, so if someone bids 2500, it'll go for that.

[mharrison]

Hah, even though I'm an old hand at ebay (100+ transactions) I didn't catch that little nugget of stupidity.

[peridotian]

I have emailed him asking for details, who how and when. I am very much ready to upgrade my anemic 1.7.

[redshift]

On the topic of *clean* rebuilt engines, I have had some, but the tin was always dirty.

I pay for the guy to fix the motor up, not make it shiny...

That is Karl's job..

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M

[peridotian]

Anyone know this guy?

"The gentleman that rebuilt it was Alan Bishop, a long-time member of
the PCA Northeast."

Thanks,
Patrick

[ppickerell]

Here is what the seller has written me about the motor:

"The gentleman that rebuilt it was Alan Bishop, a long-time member of
the PCA Northeast. He rebuilt it over the winter and spring of 2002. He
modified the long-block, new crankshaft, cam, did not overbore by the
typical amount, he told me that made the engines too fragile for racing.
Added dual Webber carbs, all new belts, filters, deep oil pan with new heavy
flow pump. These were the identical mods made by Porsche on some of the
racing 914s in the 70's. It puts out 140 hp without sacrificing gas mileage
or weakening the block. I can dig up Alan's number and/or get full specs to
you in the next day or two. I have his original invoice that I will try to
scan in and send to you as well."

So folks,
I want this motor if this is legit. What should I do next? Bid at opening price with one bidder, the same guy whos is bidding on the orange 914-6 (fareastimports I think). I believe that the motor was never in a car after rebuild.

[redshift]

You should ask about the factory 2.0/4 race program, I'd love to hear about it!

If that machine makes 140hp, you could make a million on it.



M

[ppickerell]

Does the fact that it has not been overbored make the 140 HP unlikely?
Does it sour the deal really just because the HP is over-reported? I know it certainly raises red flags! Raby 2270's dyno ay 140 HP. Would any one care to guess what it would dyno at based on the listed specs? Can anyone sell me a btter motor for $2500? Is there really a Santa Claus?
Patrick Pickerell

[r_towle]

Alan Bishop claims to have been doing this for many many years.
I dont know him, or his work.
I live about 20 minutes from the engine.
I would like to hear it run personally, and I could call Alan and get the details if you like.
Alan usually advertises in the panorama in the classified section.
As far as 140 horse from a 2.0 liter.... a stretch.
If it indeed has zero miles, Alan might be willing to warrantee it for the new owner.

Alan lives 30 minutes away...
I am here to help.
Rich

[SirAndy]

As far as 140 horse from a 2.0 liter.... a stretch.

not really. it all depends on the components used.
and how long they're going to last.

Rich Bontempi gets 180HP out of his 1.8 (normally aspirated, no turbo or blower gadgets) ...

140HP out of a 2.0L? very much possible.
Andy

[Bleyseng]

Tops 120 hp if the heads have had lots of work, running higher compression, and a bigger cam. 140 using stock parts is a joke! Alan has been claiming this number for years but won't say what he does to get there or provide a dyno sheet.

Geoff

[SirAndy]

Tops 120 hp if the heads have had lots of work, running higher compression, and a bigger cam. 140 using stock parts is a joke!

where in the ad or email does it say he used stock parts in that engine?

sean's engine feels way more aggressive than a stock 2.0L, Brad guesstimated it at 110-115 hp ...

Andy

[Bleyseng]

Alan has been running ads for motors for years. He did post that he uses stock parts once and its his assembly techniques that produce all that hp. BS
I thought Sean's motor had a new non-stock cam as that will help alot.

Geoff

[SirAndy]

I thought Sean's motor had a new non-stock cam as that will help alot.

yes. it has.
and i never said anything about using stock parts.
all i said was that 140HP out of a 2.0L is not all that difficult ...

to quote myself:
"it all depends on the components used. and how long they're going to last."


Andy

[Bleyseng]

I know what you said and what Alan has been saying for years.......Show me is all I ask, on effin paper!
Do you want a Mittlemotor sticker too Andy?


Geoff

[SirAndy]

Do you want a Mittlemotor sticker too Andy?

nope, i'm not a sticker type of guy ...

[Bleyseng]

Well, I not paying for a effin tatoo.......but I will toast to you when I am drinking with Jeroen.

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