 Q for DadRoberts, Capn..or anyone else |
|
|
|
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way. Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. |
|
|
  |
| r_towle |
 Aug 1 2006, 10:37 AM
Post
#1
|
|
Custom Member  Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
 |
Hi,
have you guy ever seen side draft carbs on a VW motor?? specifically, in the case of using atype 4 motor, and trying to retain the lower profile of the engine...side draft webers to keep it all under a floor (think pickup) Rich |
   |
 
|
| Brad Roberts |
Aug 1 2006, 10:47 AM
Post
#2
|
|
914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
I'm not "Dad Roberts", but I am from the same gene pool..
I think it would work great. Dual sidedraft 40's on 2.0 and up. Most of the Turbo Bug racers ran a sidedraft Weber for years. B |
|
|
|
| Sammy |
Aug 1 2006, 10:58 AM
Post
#3
|
|
. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178 |
I had a 50 DCOE on a type 4, but it was hooked to a turbo.
One of the problems with a side draft is a length of the intake runners. If they are long they need to be heated for smooth partial throttle operation. Same scenario as a single two bbl. If they are not heated you could have fuel puddling on the walls which results in lean conditions and stumbling. They work great at idle and full throttle, but the transitions are challenging. If you can keep the intake runners as short as possible you might have a winner. |
|
|
|
| Dave_Darling |
Aug 1 2006, 11:32 AM
Post
#4
|
|
914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,984 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
|
It will work better if you can heat up the runners, or the carb base. Or the intake charge--and a turbo is very good for that! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
--DD |
|
|
|
| Aaron Cox |
Aug 1 2006, 12:46 PM
Post
#5
|
|
Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
aimed toward the middle? (common airbox?)
or aimed outward (where do you find the room???) are you doing a type 4 into a type 3 or something? |
|
|
|
| r_towle |
Aug 1 2006, 04:33 PM
Post
#6
|
|
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
|
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 1 2006, 12:47 PM)  I'm not "Dad Roberts", but I am from the same gene pool.. I think it would work great. Dual sidedraft 40's on 2.0 and up. Most of the Turbo Bug racers ran a sidedraft Weber for years. B Not meaning to dis you...just Dad seems to have been thinking out of the box alot longer...lol... QUOTE(Aaron Cox @ Aug 1 2006, 02:46 PM) aimed toward the middle? (common airbox?) or aimed outward (where do you find the room???) are you doing a type 4 into a type 3 or something? The will aim out, away from the motor...to nice grills on the side..not a 914..so dont worry..think custom rat rod style... So are there intakes out there for this in the buggy world ?? I figured, cut, flip, reweld a set of intakes for the normal webers...sort of...basically that is the idea...lots of porting to be done...but that is the basic idea..so short ones.. Rich |
|
|
|
| jd74914 |
Aug 1 2006, 04:36 PM
Post
#7
|
|
Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
They put side drafts on Rabbits all of the time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Are you doing a VW pickup? |
|
|
|
| Dad Roberts |
Aug 2 2006, 10:32 AM
Post
#8
|
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-January 03 From: Ontario,Ca. Member No.: 70 |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 1 2006, 03:33 PM) QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 1 2006, 12:47 PM) I'm not "Dad Roberts", but I am from the same gene pool.. I think it would work great. Dual sidedraft 40's on 2.0 and up. Most of the Turbo Bug racers ran a sidedraft Weber for years. B Not meaning to dis you...just Dad seems to have been thinking out of the box alot longer...lol... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Toooooooo funny (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .....I think that was a nice way to say.......he's OLDER than you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Does kinda sound like you're doin a Type III, but it also sounds like you're really not ready to share yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . You have the right idea on your manifolds. You might want to check out "Volksrods.com", there's a LOT of "outside " the box thinking there. Nothing in particular related to your setup but ya never know?............Dad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
|
|
|
| r_towle |
Aug 2 2006, 07:09 PM
Post
#9
|
|
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
|
it will be a type 4 motor...in a custom car..
Not completely fixed on the car yet..but bug/bus chopped with a low stance...I will be going for the for two door look...sort of... I want the motor to remain under the rear deck/floor Still have normal usable space in there...so I can haul stuff, Bit I want a bigger motor, run off of carbs. If I use webers IDF/IDA, which I have seen done, it raises the floor to high. If I use side draft webers, I assume the same size, then I can keep the floor lower, provide fresh air to the webers out each side...and still ahve a big motor... So, what to do about the intake manifolds..is there a place in the buggy world that makes something that is easier to make fit versus taking Type 4 IDF manifolds and cutting them, flipping them, rewelding them, and porting them...seems like there must be something out there already..these motors have been around for a while..somebody must ahve gone with side drafts... Rich PS, DAD... Not older,,,just seen more, BTDT kida compliment.. Could you please share that pic of the cool type 4 pickup that you posted here once... If I use |
|
|
|
| Aaron Cox |
Aug 2 2006, 10:30 PM
Post
#10
|
|
Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
never seen such a manifold....
its gonna be custom.... |
|
|
|
| Dad Roberts |
Aug 3 2006, 12:51 PM
Post
#11
|
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-January 03 From: Ontario,Ca. Member No.: 70 |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 2 2006, 06:09 PM) Could you please share that pic of the cool type 4 pickup that you posted here once... If I use I've never seen the manifolds you need. Here's a couple pics. Go to the Volksrods website for a full buildup. "Walts 34 pickup" Attached image(s)   
|
|
|
|
| Sammy |
Aug 3 2006, 02:00 PM
Post
#12
|
|
. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178 |
The linkage will be a bitch.
Generally you want your linkage to be as short as possible. Having the carbs pointing outwards will make them fairly long. Shorty webbers with no air horns on short manifolds will be as low as side drafts. Just thinkin out lowd (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
|
|
|
| r_towle |
Aug 3 2006, 02:04 PM
Post
#13
|
|
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
|
QUOTE(Sammy @ Aug 3 2006, 04:00 PM) The linkage will be a bitch. Generally you want your linkage to be as short as possible. Having the carbs pointing outwards will make them fairly long. Shorty webbers with no air horns on short manifolds will be as low as side drafts. Just thinkin out lowd (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) How do I say this... Though your suggestion is quite valid..... to easy.. This will be a show car...and easy dont win... rich |
|
|
|
| Sammy |
Aug 3 2006, 03:54 PM
Post
#14
|
|
. Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Orange, Ca Member No.: 178 |
I gotcha.
|
|
|
|
| Dad Roberts |
Aug 3 2006, 07:06 PM
Post
#15
|
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-January 03 From: Ontario,Ca. Member No.: 70 |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 3 2006, 01:04 PM) QUOTE(Sammy @ Aug 3 2006, 04:00 PM) The linkage will be a bitch. Generally you want your linkage to be as short as possible. Having the carbs pointing outwards will make them fairly long. Shorty webbers with no air horns on short manifolds will be as low as side drafts. Just thinkin out lowd (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) How do I say this... Though your suggestion is quite valid..... to easy.. This will be a show car...and easy dont win... rich Been ponderin this for a bit...(sleepin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ).....and wondered if you were thinkin about takin fuelie runners and basically reversin them outward? I know you would have to slice and dice a bit but you would have your base flanges and the tubing would be easy to work with. Main thing you would need is carb base flanges. As for linkage, you might be able to run cables (ala motorcycle). I seem to remember someone doing that. Single works fine on my setup, just split it. Okay......now I can eat.....and go back to ponderin ( sleep (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) some more......Dad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Attached image(s) 
|
|
|
|
| r_towle |
Aug 3 2006, 07:23 PM
Post
#16
|
|
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
|
Honestly I would hope that I can get some sort of intake for the side drafts..at least to get the flange...prefer aluminum..
then, take a set of intakes for a normal set of IDF's cut off both flanges...turn over the tubes (or make some cool tubes) But,,my thoguhts are if I turn over a set of normal weber intakes, the curve may be perfect to just get over the heads,,and I can always shorten them.. then weld the head flange back on..and weld the new sidedraft flange on the other end... Im not sure if that explains it correctly... I was honestly hoping for an easier solution..Ill have to hunt around...there may be some british car intake setup that I could utilise...at least some of it... You know how the old ford flatheads had the little reverse scoops over the carbs...when running three carbs .... Think of those, sticking out the side of a car...cool huh... Rich |
|
|
|
| Dad Roberts |
Aug 4 2006, 04:34 PM
Post
#17
|
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-January 03 From: Ontario,Ca. Member No.: 70 |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 3 2006, 06:23 PM) You know how the old ford flatheads had the little reverse scoops over the carbs...when running three carbs .... Think of those, sticking out the side of a car...cool huh... Rich Well.........I would never stoop to anything so outrageous.......hell, I couldn't get back up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .....Cool sounds like it should cover it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Not sure if you've seen my Caddy pics, but......it's sportin 3 dueces, from the factory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) .Dad PS......We will be goin down to Elsinore in the morning to see what may be the new headlights for the Caddy. Just haven't been able to get those SQUARE headlights to grow on me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .Dad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
|
|
|
| r_towle |
Aug 4 2006, 04:37 PM
Post
#18
|
|
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
|
QUOTE(Dad Roberts @ Aug 4 2006, 06:34 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 3 2006, 06:23 PM) You know how the old ford flatheads had the little reverse scoops over the carbs...when running three carbs .... Think of those, sticking out the side of a car...cool huh... Rich Well.........I would never stoop to anything so outrageous.......hell, I couldn't get back up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .....Cool sounds like it should cover it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Not sure if you've seen my Caddy pics, but......it's sportin 3 dueces, from the factory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) .Dad PS......We will be goin down to Elsinore in the morning to see what may be the new headlights for the Caddy. Just haven't been able to get those SQUARE headlights to grow on me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .Dad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Show us some pics..I have never seen it... I love that blue one..quite cool and made me figure you were the guy who might have seen this before... Rich |
|
|
|
| Dad Roberts |
Aug 4 2006, 04:48 PM
Post
#19
|
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 224 Joined: 1-January 03 From: Ontario,Ca. Member No.: 70 |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 4 2006, 03:37 PM) QUOTE(Dad Roberts @ Aug 4 2006, 06:34 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 3 2006, 06:23 PM) You know how the old ford flatheads had the little reverse scoops over the carbs...when running three carbs .... Think of those, sticking out the side of a car...cool huh... Rich Well.........I would never stoop to anything so outrageous.......hell, I couldn't get back up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .....Cool sounds like it should cover it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . Not sure if you've seen my Caddy pics, but......it's sportin 3 dueces, from the factory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) .Dad PS......We will be goin down to Elsinore in the morning to see what may be the new headlights for the Caddy. Just haven't been able to get those SQUARE headlights to grow on me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .Dad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Show us some pics..I have never seen it... I love that blue one..quite cool and made me figure you were the guy who might have seen this before... Rich Ask and ye shall receive..............Oh yea, there is some small photoshop on those pics....white on the front and back bumper...trim by headlights is actually painted Attached thumbnail(s)  Attached image(s) 
|
|
|
|
| r_towle |
Aug 4 2006, 06:54 PM
Post
#20
|
|
Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
|
sweet...
Give the lights some time..I would even suggest getting shorter ones..that would look really cool, and there are so many new fangled lights out there...1.5 to 2 inch hight ones....oh keep working on those its really quite cool.. Rich |
|
|
|
|
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 13th May 2024 - 06:26 PM |
Invision Power Board
v9.1.4 © 2024 IPS, Inc.