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kckoch
post Aug 15 2006, 10:26 AM
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Any body know a source where I can have these made? Does anyone make repros?



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post Aug 15 2006, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 15 2006, 09:29 AM) *

Guy out East that did Pete's car makes them... don't remember his name. Martin can chime in with the info. From what I understand, he may make them "occasionally" and in batches.


I'm up for some smoothies depending on price. Fins look awful after a short time. Plus crub build between them.

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post Aug 15 2006, 02:30 PM
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Yes, Mark made mine and has all the measurements off an exact GT set...

Mark Allin of Precision Automotive Restoration 978.463.8144

Hard to give you guys a guesstimate on price, they were at least $500 2 years ago, BUT, you have to also figure that I was paying him at shop rates for fabrication as he did the WHOLE car for me. What he will sell these parts for outright and if he has the time to fab some up I can't answer that question.

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post Aug 15 2006, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 15 2006, 01:09 PM) *

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I'd vote NOT to use the finned lines.


Not a fin fan either...



why? They do the job better than smooth.

looks?
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post Aug 15 2006, 02:46 PM
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why? They do the job better than smooth.

looks?


Yup. Plus, w/ a cooler up front they are unnecessary.

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post Aug 15 2006, 02:59 PM
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Period looks
Real cooler up front
Fins get smashed
Fins get full of stuff
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post Aug 15 2006, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 15 2006, 01:59 PM) *

Period looks
Real cooler up front
Fins get smashed
Fins get full of stuff


Eggs Zack Lee my sentiment. Anyeone seen the Classic Range Rover tranny coolers? It's just a pipe with coils upon coils of spring wound wire. Looks sturdy.

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post Aug 15 2006, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(ChicagoPete @ Aug 15 2006, 01:30 PM) *

Yes, Mark made mine and has all the measurements off an exact GT set...

Mark Allin of Precision Automotive Restoration 978.463.8144

Hard to give you guys a guesstimate on price, they were at least $500 2 years ago, BUT, you have to also figure that I was paying him at shop rates for fabrication as he did the WHOLE car for me. What he will sell these parts for outright and if he has the time to fab some up I can't answer that question.

Peter


Thanks Peter,

Mark is ready to make some and would prefer to make 3 or more in a batch. They are smooth, and are just as the picture above. $650 a set.

I'm in, now I need two more. Any takers?
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post Aug 15 2006, 04:20 PM
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I made my own out of hadware-store steel tubing. Had to make a couple of mandrels to be abloe to get semi-smooth bends. They came out ok, I think, but it was a lot of work.


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post Aug 15 2006, 04:21 PM
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post Aug 15 2006, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(grasshopper @ Aug 15 2006, 09:30 AM) *

Hmm.. It looks like it would be possible to make you own.... Anyone have pipe sizes?



not sure of the size, I'm sure someone has to have it written down (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

McMaster-Carr has 1" OD brass alloy 260 for about $50 for a 6' length (.065 wall which might be overkill, .032 is about half the price) they mention that is not bendable however one might be able to anneal it...
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My stuff is one inch od.
Pretty much the maximum that will fit under the rockers, I think.

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post Aug 15 2006, 07:39 PM
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I have thought long and hard about making them myself, and decided to let someone else do the guessing. He uses the factory GT specs, a little expensive, but they are the real deal. He only makes a batch about every two years. He said that the stock (brass) he uses, he ordered 9+ months ago, and it just arrived. He planned on just waiting until he had enough interest.

Any takers? I still need two more?
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post Aug 16 2006, 07:06 AM
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Kevin and others...The question you have to ask yourself, "How authentic do you want to look?" "What are you trying to achieve with your car?"

The point being...yes the the cooler lines are cool, but, honestly, on a previous big six that I owned I ran Aeroquip fittings and braided lines to a Mazda comp cooler and that worked just as well as these!

Where do you draw the line...between cool parts and what works just as well? I have at least $5000 into my oil sytem. Shroud, 906 cooler, authentic fabbed flex lines, hard brass lines, oil filler neck, blau cap, magnesium 911S thermostat, oil pressure relief valve, and the overflow tank in the trunk. I wanted everything to look as authentic as I could! And for standard 914 guy all of this is lost unless you have an appreciation for true 914-6 GT racing equipment.

By no means am I trying to take away business from Mark. For my money the cool factor goes way farther on something you can see. Maybe a well made engine lid, GT door panels, or even better an authentic GT steering wheel with the extra padding and the proper horn button.

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post Aug 16 2006, 07:26 AM
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Not a fin fan either...
Fin gets smashed
Fin gets full of stuff

Um, are you guys trying to tell me something? And you haven't even met me.....

Cheers,

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post Aug 16 2006, 09:44 AM
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Shhhhhhhhhhh Fin's here... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Morning Gents... I'm close on this one. Still pondering. One side says there's nothing wrong with some nice braided lines. The other side says... I spent $300 on some used 911 hard lines. $650's not all that bad for a custom one-off reproduction of the originals.

I don't know how to describe it... I just like the idea of having hard lines down there.

Close to throwing my hat in the ring. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Aug 16 2006, 10:40 AM
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I don't know how to describe it... I just like the idea of having hard lines down there.



Hmmmmm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) So that's how you guys like it in Utah?

As for the brAss lines, $500 already seemed to me a good upper limit. I mean these are repros!? $650 might only be a hair away but enough to buy a small toupee's worth of other goodies.

The braided lines is starting to sound cool.

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I had Chuck warmed up to make some 9146 hard lines. I highly suggest we go to someone who can knock these out repeatedly on a CNC tubing bender.

Armando also has a LA connection for making the lines. He made several sets when he was working on his car.


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post Aug 16 2006, 11:06 AM
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i am running copper not brass...regrigeration grade soft copper is easy to work with, and work hardens over time....but bends easily without pinching.
and a good silver solder keeps it all togther....and i also use a double braidhosing to get to the cooler and from the engine and to dampen vibrations.....and along the longs it is straight thick walled copper....it took us two evenings and a roll of soft copper and a few pipe fittings
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i am running copper not brass...regrigeration grade soft copper is easy to work with, and work hardens over time....but bends easily without pinching.
and a good silver solder keeps it all togther....and i also use a double braidhosing to get to the cooler and from the engine and to dampen vibrations.....and along the longs it is straight thick walled copper....it took us two evenings and a roll of soft copper and a few pipe fittings


That sounds reasonable to me. I have a friend who used copper for the fixed runs and flex lines for the connections without problems. Copper does work harden, almost all metal does, but I don't think it's an issue unless the tubing is connected to a vibration source such as an engine or suspension member. Strapping it to the longs and fender wells shouldn't be a problem. At least that's my opinion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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Aluminum is lighter than any of these, forms easily, and sheds heat well.
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