My lightweight project, more progress photos Options

[URY914]

MJHanna,
The entire hood/cowling piece will be held on with four hood pins. I can pick it up off the car with one hand. Re-fueling will be as quick as it always been.

Don,
I almost don't know where to start to reply to you.

I'd suggest that you get a copy of the rule book

Do you really think I've done this much work and haven't read a rule book? You are assuming that I haven't when you suggest that I go get one. Also, don't assume I don't know the rules.

You may not know the rules

The car can be classed as prepared or modified depending on where I'm running. The car is much stronger with the work I've done to it. The fire wall is the only item that does not meet SCCA rules and that can be addressed with an aluminum panel.

Thanks for your input but it was a little too much.
Paul

[Brad Roberts]

Hang in there Paul.

Some of these people are new "to us". I personally know 25% of the people on this board and have met another 25%. For the sake of backing up Don a little on this: he had no idea what group you run with or that you had even ran this car previously. I appreciate Don's effort letting people know that they should read the rule book prior to "building" and I REALLY appreciate you posting pics.

Basically.. cut the new guy's some slack and give them a chance to "learn" us. Its hard enough trying to figure out somebodies "tone of voice" in a email or post. We all have one common goal: 914

B

[URY914]

Brad,
You're right, but you know how it is when someone says something about your racecar, it cuts right to your heart and soul. Say what you want about my wife, kid or house but my racecar? Them fighten' words...

Gee, a world united by 914's-what a concept.
Somebody needs to make a bumper sticker that reads.

"Visualize World Peace Through 914's"

Paul (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Brad Roberts]

I know EXACTLY how you feel. I bite my tongue and tough it out for a few minutes before posting or answering a question when something pisses me off. I try to look at the whole thing.


Your doing a great job. Keep it up.


B

[TimT]

Im quite impressed with Pauls car. It apppears alot of thought went into building it. Im guessing Paul has taken adantage of every ambiguity in the rule book that he safely could.

What does thar car weigh now?

Ill think when you get it painted it will look awsome. It'll bring the whole concept together. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

[URY914]

Thanks Tim,

Last I weighed it, it was 1,598 pounds. Since then I've cut some more sheet metal out but added the f/g cowl to the hood. So maybe it's still the same.
I can't wait to paint it. I'm tired of the raddle can paint job.
Paul

[J P Stein]

Ury:

Don't go all wanker on us. You asked for opinions, said you could take it, then went ballistic when someone was critical. If you want back pats, please say so up front.
I give gud back pats, want one?(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

[URY914]

J P,
I may have gotten my feelings hurt. ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) )
But I really didn't go "ballistic".
I'm over it now. Knowning that Brad is on my side makes it all better now.( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) )
Paul

[Tony C]

Per SCCA rules and how they interperet them, your cage will be fine.

-Tony

[rick 918-S]

I have a question. I followed the link that Jeroen
posted showing pictures of your front tubes. I was wondering if the front dash hoop is DOM tubing. It looks like the bends are crushed like exhaust tubing. I'm not a chassis builder or a racer. Maybe it doesn't need to be. Just wondered. I don't remember ever seeing bends crushed like that. Your car appears to be coming along nicely.

[Mueller]

Rich, DOM starts with the ID and OD concentric, but the bending process tweaks the tube.....now if those had been bent using a mandrel bender, the forms (balls) inside the tube would have evened everything out.

I don't know any cage makers that used mandrel bent tubes....

Tony, care to chime in on this???

[Tony C]

Rich, The main hoop looks to be made from ERW (I can see the welded seam in the picture). ERW colapses like that when bent. This is one of the reasons why I only use DOM or 4130. However even then sometimes a bend will look like that, but I would have called it a "test" piece. Most mandrel benders that can handle the tubing used in rollcages start at $20K used and go up significantly from there. Not exaclty something for the home builder...

-Tony

[rick 918-S]

I didn't think that a tube that was crushed like an exhaust pipe was legal for racing. But like I said I'm not a racer. I'm looking to expand the little knowlage I have on the subject. Looks like fun though.

[Mike T]

Actually Paul as I'm sure you know already, your car is legal for SCCA D or E Modified class Solo 2 right the way it is. The metal container housing your fuel cell doubles for a "bulkhead between driver and fuel tank." Indeed many SCCA D/E Modified cars put the fuel cell in a container just like yours right on the passenger side in place of the passenger seat along with the battery to offset driver weight.

Also the only way you can incur the 15% weight penalty is by having the car judged to be of tube frame construction. A tub based car like yours (and mine) could only be judged TF if the floor pan was modified in excess of the rules. Those rules stating said pan can only be modified for drivetrain and exhaust clearance.


I like what you've done so far. It gives me courage to take up sawzall and have at my own car.

Mike T. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

[URY914]

Thanks Mike,

SCCA modified classes lets you get away with alot but you end up running up against some crazy equipment. Luckly they don't show up very often. PCA and other clubs use a point system which can be sorta loose when it come to enforcement.
I just whata drive it-put me in whatever class fits.

Paul

[Mike T]

Rules? We doan need no steeking rules. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)