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Can't find lug bolts - American Racing specific, searched high and low, AR not responding |
Chris Pincetich |
Sep 20 2006, 01:13 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
I've waited a week for the emails I've sent to American Racing folks to be answered and have lost patience. I have googled looking for these and no luck in the first 2 pages. I even brought the lug bolts I need to GAF and found none, but got some encouragement and advice.
I REALLY NEED to get my hands on either a full set or 4 lug bolts for my American Racing wheels. One of these lugs that are on there are pictured below. I want to get some McGard bolts off and replace them with the correct type (4) or find new ones with fresh chrome (16) and replace them all. The bolt tightens with a 19mm socket. It has a "washer" fused to it that seat perfectly in a recessed circle on in the wheel. These are not ball seat or cone seat, but "flat" seat I guess. The McGard bolts have a spacer/adapter that is ball seat for the bolt then machined for a perfect fit in the recessed circle on the wheel (but they stick out because of this). If anybody has these lying around, or knows of a source for special lug bolts, or a contact phone number for Amercian Racing (web site has email only) I would really appreciate info! My wheels are AR "daisy" style, I think that is what they are called, and I really like them. I would also really like to go to press in studs, but new lug bolts will get me through the next AX tech inspection and be easy on the wallet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
SGB |
Sep 20 2006, 01:45 PM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
I have some Western wheels that have a similar "old style mag" seat surface. I had decided the wheels must have been from a lugeed setup. If anyone has a source for this type of bolt, I want to know as well!
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jd74914 |
Sep 20 2006, 01:46 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Me too, I need some new lugs for my westerns as well!
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TravisNeff |
Sep 20 2006, 01:51 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I have a full set of those bolts - from a set of western wheels. Not pretty (some have chrome coming off), but definately functional. Let me know.
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Chris Pincetich |
Sep 20 2006, 03:48 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
Travis - I will find my calipers and measure the depth and width exactly when i get home tonight. I am definitely interested in getting yours if they fit exactly. I picked up 4 spares at EASY and they *looked* good, but the unthreaded bolt part was 1 mm too wide and wouldn't fit in the wheel hole. Thanks for the response!
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jd74914 |
Sep 20 2006, 04:02 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Travis - if Chris passes for some odd reason I'm very interested
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TravisNeff |
Sep 20 2006, 04:28 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Scott beat you to them. I will look tonight to make sure I have all 16 and I will post the dimensions here.
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Trekkor |
Sep 20 2006, 04:33 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Can you have the wheel's bolt hole machined to accept a cone seat bolt?
I also may still have 15 lugs from a set of Westerns. Being me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) I just used cone seat bolts with the Westerns and they machined themselves... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hide.gif) KT |
grantsfo |
Sep 20 2006, 04:36 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
I think Rich at HPH may have some of those. If you cant find them give him a call.
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Chris Pincetich |
Sep 20 2006, 04:55 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
Trek - what about running screw in studs with cone seat lug nuts in my flat surfaced wheels? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) Machining the wheels is a bigger chunk of change than lug bolts, but smaller than studs. Seriously, I think there is hope on the horizon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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TravisNeff |
Sep 20 2006, 09:59 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Here are the dimensions from my wheel bolts. I believe that there were a couple versions of the western or "dan gurney" wheel. You'll need to measure your bolt hole diameter on the wheel to be sure of the required shank size of the bolt.
Here is what I got. Bolt head 20MM Shank diameter: 17mm Shank length 10mm (with washer in place Threaded portion 32mm Overall length 66mm |
SGB |
Sep 20 2006, 10:31 PM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
I'll check my wheels tomorrow. Thanks Travis and i hope HPH or Trek can help you other guys....
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Chris Pincetich |
Sep 21 2006, 09:18 AM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
OK- borrowed some calipers because I couldn't find mine last night and made the following measurements:
Bolt head: 19mm Shank diameter: 16mm Shank length: 10mm (with washer in place) Threaded portion: 25mm Washer diameter: 28.8mm The caliper head wouldn't squeeze into the recess in the wheel well enough to get a 100% accurate diameter of the hole in the wheel for the lug bolt, but my 90% accurate measurement is 16mm. Putting the lug bolt back in, there is definitely not room for a 17mm shank diameter. In fact, I measured the "bad lug bolts" I got from EASY and the shank diameter is 17.5mm and these DO NOT fit in the hole. THE BAD NEWS: those lug bolts from the Westerns will likely not work and I am not interested in them now. If I have to, I can machine my wheels, but then will have them done for a standard cone seat and get a new set of lug bolts. THE GOOD NEWS: The AR special parts guy that I emailed last week replied last night! I sent him all the details and photos. As plan B, I call Rich at HPH because I KNOW he has these wheels and I should order a tuna can soon anyway. Thanks for all the help so far! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
SGB |
Sep 21 2006, 10:02 PM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
I,ve remeasured and can't use the bolts Travis has either, so anyone is looking for those, he till has em.
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HeavyHeavy |
Sep 21 2006, 10:41 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 7-June 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 6,177 |
I don't know if they'll work for you, but I solved a similar
problem with empi part # 9511 wheel studs. |
DanT |
Sep 21 2006, 10:49 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
I've waited a week for the emails I've sent to American Racing folks to be answered and have lost patience. I have googled looking for these and no luck in the first 2 pages. I even brought the lug bolts I need to GAF and found none, but got some encouragement and advice. I REALLY NEED to get my hands on either a full set or 4 lug bolts for my American Racing wheels. One of these lugs that are on there are pictured below. I want to get some McGard bolts off and replace them with the correct type (4) or find new ones with fresh chrome (16) and replace them all. The bolt tightens with a 19mm socket. It has a "washer" fused to it that seat perfectly in a recessed circle on in the wheel. These are not ball seat or cone seat, but "flat" seat I guess. The McGard bolts have a spacer/adapter that is ball seat for the bolt then machined for a perfect fit in the recessed circle on the wheel (but they stick out because of this). If anybody has these lying around, or knows of a source for special lug bolts, or a contact phone number for Amercian Racing (web site has email only) I would really appreciate info! My wheels are AR "daisy" style, I think that is what they are called, and I really like them. I would also really like to go to press in studs, but new lug bolts will get me through the next AX tech inspection and be easy on the wallet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Chris, try the link below. they have lots of choices. http://www.gorilla-auto.com/ |
Chris Pincetich |
Oct 11 2006, 10:33 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
Success! 16 new chrome gorilla cone seat lug bolts and perfect 60 deg cone seats drilled into my allow wheels thanks to a very generous member (thanks again Patrick!). Neither the AR wharehouse guy, HPH, EASY or classifieds for >1 week resulted in the correct lug bolt. Well, I now have 12 extra of these mag style lug bolts if anybody needs one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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DanT |
Oct 11 2006, 10:38 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
glad you found something to work... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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dlee1967 |
Oct 11 2006, 10:55 PM
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V8Lurker Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 20-February 03 From: Splendora, TX Member No.: 327 Region Association: None |
It looks like I am a little late but I have found that Mr Lug Nut has some unique offerings. I even found some lugs to fit my early Mini Cooper S at one time. They have conical and ball seat lug bolts and nuts.
Mr Lug Nut (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
Trekkor |
Oct 11 2006, 11:02 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Do you have a picture of the cutting tool you used?
KT |
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