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> New Fiberwerks Twin Barrel Cooling System, Anyone know of this?
Leo Imperial
post Sep 27 2006, 06:09 PM
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I found this on ebay. I was wondering if their is any info floating around. Some cooling options were being discussed earlier today and figured I would throw this into the mix.

Porsche 914 New Fiberwerks Twin Barrel Cooling System

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JPB
post Sep 27 2006, 06:13 PM
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I think if it was belt driven, it would work great.

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post Sep 27 2006, 06:15 PM
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it's not new and IIRC, Zois had it on one of his 4 bangers
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post Sep 27 2006, 06:16 PM
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Maybe if you could install a monometer on eather side so you would know if the

fans quit.
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post Sep 27 2006, 06:17 PM
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I'd pay someone to let me borrow one for a day on the dyno.

I know what the results will be, but would like to prove it.
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post Sep 27 2006, 06:19 PM
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Junk

Electric fan can not do the job
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post Sep 27 2006, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Sep 27 2006, 08:17 PM) *

I'd pay someone to let me borrow one for a day on the dyno.

I know what the results will be, but would like to prove it.


I bet the engine wouldn't last an hour.
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post Sep 27 2006, 06:32 PM
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It probably works great at high continous RPMs but it would be to cold for street applications.

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post Sep 27 2006, 06:34 PM
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Who's 914 is that in the background?
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post Sep 27 2006, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(JPB @ Sep 27 2006, 05:32 PM) *

It probably works great at high continous RPMs but it would be to cold for street applications.

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Nope... Load= heat.

Those fans move alot of CFM, but don't make any pressure at all. Pressure is what forces air where it generally does not want to go, into the nooks and crannnies of the cylinders and heads...

Its time to kill the myth- I'm ordering one tomorrow. I'll test it against a stock system and a DTM on the same 160+ HP engine. The datalogger doesn't lie-
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post Sep 27 2006, 07:51 PM
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I would not throw too many stones at it without some testing as the Wayne Baker #22 IMSA 914 used a pair of relocated heater/vent fans blowing over the barrels and head area. They were in the passenger seat location and ducted through the firewall. The oil cooler took care of cooling the case.
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post Sep 27 2006, 08:25 PM
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Good job jake!!

Low RPMS it'll be fine.. But it cant push as much air reliably as fans at 7k rpms.

And what happens when an electric fan goes out?
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post Sep 27 2006, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(john rogers @ Sep 27 2006, 06:51 PM) *

I would not throw too many stones at it without some testing as the Wayne Baker #22 IMSA 914 used a pair of relocated heater/vent fans blowing over the barrels and head area. They were in the passenger seat location and ducted through the firewall. The oil cooler took care of cooling the case.


Baker's system was way different..He also had air ducted into the area from the front of the car
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post Sep 27 2006, 08:38 PM
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I'm willing to throw some $ in to get that thing tested. I sent you an email Jake. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)
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post Sep 27 2006, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Sep 27 2006, 06:41 PM) *

Its time to kill the myth- I'm ordering one tomorrow. I'll test it against a stock system and a DTM on the same 160+ HP engine. The datalogger doesn't lie-



You're the man


Jake can do it, yes he can....ah shit, I forgot the rest...oh well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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post Sep 27 2006, 08:47 PM
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it looks cool but I wouldn't trust it.

With some ducts it might work better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 27 2006, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Sep 27 2006, 07:27 PM) *

QUOTE(john rogers @ Sep 27 2006, 06:51 PM) *

I would not throw too many stones at it without some testing as the Wayne Baker #22 IMSA 914 used a pair of relocated heater/vent fans blowing over the barrels and head area. They were in the passenger seat location and ducted through the firewall. The oil cooler took care of cooling the case.


Baker's system was way different..He also had air ducted into the area from the front of the car


Ron Mistak now owns the car and it runs three fans. Two located in the passenger seat area, one each blowing through two hoses to the left and right side of the motor and one in the rear plowing on the two back cylinders.


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post Sep 27 2006, 08:58 PM
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Those radial fans have much better pressure characteristics than the large volume axial fans used in system in question.

We'll be busting this myth pretty damn quick! I want to wait till the new dyno is set up before I run the tests though, it'll be much easier, and faster than the current dyno set up.
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post Sep 27 2006, 09:29 PM
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Leo is guilty as is pretty much everyone that has ever asked about this fan or other questionable items without addressing this:

Is this item okay for.....

1) Race car?

2) Street car?

3) Both?


The generalization of "will this work"? is beyond vague...you need to ask "will it work in my application" (state application)

I like the idea of converting this fan to belt drive if it would work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Sep 28 2006, 12:42 AM
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I thought i read somewhere that those belt driven fans become less efficient as rpm increases....
provided those electric fans give enough air displacement, i guess one could duct air in a way to get higher pressures at sensible points in the engine... using diffusers and such...
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