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> GGR AX #9 at Alameda, who is going to be there?
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post Oct 13 2006, 09:31 AM
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I'm in. Hope I remember how to drive.

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post Oct 13 2006, 01:51 PM
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Brad, GGR/zone7 rules mandate the course to be lined....we also do it to make it more newbie friendly


I know it is the rule, but do you honestly *believe* it helps the newbies? Your professional opinion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My personal opinion: waste of time


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post Oct 13 2006, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Oct 13 2006, 12:51 PM) *

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Brad, GGR/zone7 rules mandate the course to be lined....we also do it to make it more newbie friendly


I know it is the rule, but do you honestly *believe* it helps the newbies? Your professional opinion (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My personal opinion: waste of time


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Guess it depends upon whether or not you want the drivers looking for better lines or just looking for cones.
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post Oct 13 2006, 03:46 PM
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They use a taller apex cone down here and "semi" place it in the right spots. There is NO way you will line a course down here. It would take 3 50lb bags of white powder to cover a 1.3 mile course..LOL

The white lines GGR uses reminds me of a "handicap" or a crutch for the newbies. Make them learn. I dont even look at the lines when I'm watching someone elses video!!! LOL


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post Oct 13 2006, 05:52 PM
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I like the lines, always have.

Even if the course is a filthy sea of cones, at least you can still find you way.


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post Oct 14 2006, 09:24 AM
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We had a small problem at our last AX....no map/s.
They were still in the copying machine, I heard....
So, I laid out the start half and my co-worker laid out the finish half....one of them back of a napkin deals.
I got done & figured I'd beter walk it. I got about 1/3rd of the way thru the finish half
& got lost (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This is gonna need some work, I sez to myself.
We use pointer arrows in the center of the lane where where things get "iffy" and laydown wall cones meaning "don't go this way".

At ORPCA, the course shown would use about 25% of the cones shown on the map, would prolly be a bit faster for the fast guys, would have a lot less running for the cone chasers.....and wouldn't need any lines as it is pretty simple....maybe an arrow or 2.

Here's a smaple of one of our courses. The long direction is 1000/1200 feet....WAG.
Not necessarly better than GGR, but we are firm believers in KISS. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Oct 14 2006, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(grantsfo @ Oct 14 2006, 09:37 AM) *

Here is an example of a well designed SCCA course from inside a car. Open yet challenging, nice wide corners, no sea of cones, no artifical complexity, very intuitive for beginners and it's a well marked course. Its very typical of what I have seen with most SCCA venues I have attended.

http://www.4d-sport.com/images/AutoX_2005_09_25__Jason_4.wmv

If I show up for the Alameda I'll run my camera to show the signficant contrast in driver expereince from behind the wheel.





If you read Roger Johnson's SCCA booklet at:

http://www.houscca.com/solo/courses/coursedesign.zip one can learn how-to design a proper course that flows like the video, which is a good example.

BTW if you read Roger's booklet and seriously attempt to build a course, based upon the education you received therein, Roger will critique your design (great feedback).

All in all a good way to keep yourself, as a course designer honest, not designing a 914 or 911 course, but a real autox course that hopefully flows well, isn't a sea of cones, one that allows for lots of driver input and is safe.

Getting a course to flow well at the Marina is always a challenge, especially if you start designing with the safety of the course workers in mind, while Alameda is much easier.
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post Oct 15 2006, 09:50 PM
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Glad to hear Demick and possibly Grant will be in attendance....

Damn,, that means I will be at least two places down the overall standings. And if Trekkor shows....oh well

And if BillP shows with the spec Box.....this is starting to make me sad.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif)
Oh, thats right....I need to teach Bill how to drive the Boxster first....you know...what is the word...oh yea....momentum (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) No more 3.6Ls worth of torque for him.

At least the 914s can end the season kicking some hiney (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I only need a 5th or better to win AX 11 for the season....and that is with only 5 attended events out of 9.
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post Oct 15 2006, 10:18 PM
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Oh, I'll be there... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Will you ride along and offer some instruction?


Thanks,

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post Oct 15 2006, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Oct 15 2006, 09:18 PM) *

Oh, I'll be there... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Will you ride along and offer some instruction?


Thanks,

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We'll get together sometime during the day for sure (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 15 2006, 10:53 PM
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Will you sign me up for A.M. course set-up?


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post Oct 15 2006, 11:04 PM
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Not my call....that is up to the AX series chairs.

They send out a notification thru the GGR website.

If you aren't signed up to get GGR announcements, you should do that.
The AX chairs send out a notice about a week before the event
You need to respond almost immediately. the jobs fill up fast because it counts as your days work assignment.
They do about 6-8 for course set up, 3-4 for tech and 2 for morning security.
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post Oct 15 2006, 11:06 PM
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Yes, I'm already primed for the notifications. I've signed up many times in the past.

I'll be standing by.


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post Oct 16 2006, 08:29 AM
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Oh well Grant, just think of that nice fresh motor in your lightened car for next season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
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post Oct 19 2006, 08:14 PM
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update: might be in driving my 'other car' (me and the future-brother-in-law and his firehawk).
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post Oct 19 2006, 10:56 PM
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update: might be in driving my 'other car' (me and the future-brother-in-law and his firehawk).


Cool! It will be a big fast sedan shoot out. I just got my fatter tires 235/40/18 BFG KDW2's on BBS replicas for the Mazdaspeed.
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post Oct 19 2006, 11:19 PM
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cool.....sedan racing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

should be ineresting with all those transitions at speed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Let's see (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) 3000#s, rear wheel drive, 300+ HP,,,,,can you say snap spin (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

3400#s, 275+HP, all wheel drive....can you say PUSH (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This should be interesting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)
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post Oct 20 2006, 01:22 AM
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Finally got 914AROO back from the shop - this will be my first autox in this car - should be "interesting".
Later,
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Tom, does that response mean you will be at Alameda?
If so that will be great. It will be great to see your car and see how it runs...

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QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Oct 20 2006, 08:15 AM) *

Tom, does that response mean you will be at Alameda?
If so that will be great. It will be great to see your car and see how it runs...

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Dan:
Yep - I'm planning on attending. Drove the car at PCA parade laps at Laguna today - great time, but boy it seems slicker than the last time I drove there!! Must be that re-paving for MotoGP.
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