Saratoga top |
|
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way. Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. |
|
Saratoga top |
zen motorcycle |
Nov 6 2006, 04:18 PM
Post
#1
|
almost not a newbie ( way less than a newbie) Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 21-May 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 6,038 Region Association: None |
I know I know
I got one with the car and it fits like crap above the winods. I knew this going in. Question is can I take a heat gun to it to mold it without causing it damage? Also it squeeks like mad anybody have asuggestion for a rear seal? |
dmenche914 |
Nov 6 2006, 07:02 PM
Post
#2
|
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 27-February 03 From: California Member No.: 366 |
i believe they are pexiglas, thus heat will allow you to work it, however too much heat can cause it to bubble, and / or ruin the surface finsh, so proceed with caution. if you can fix it with new seals, that would be best. Squeeky seals can be helped with a silicone lubricant. for seals, either modify a 914 stock seal, or look into a kit car supplier, or marine (boat) supply house for seals. maybe evan a vintage car seal company. The company names escape my mind right now, but try a internet search. some seal companies offer x-section views in their catalogs, hence you might be able to find something.
if you do find workable seals, please PM me, as i too have a Saratoga top, not on car now, too many other things going on, so I have not researched it yet. i am sure something can be found. please let me know if you find good seal material thanks |
edrotol |
Nov 6 2006, 07:39 PM
Post
#3
|
edrotol Group: Members Posts: 190 Joined: 23-April 06 From: Woburn, MA Member No.: 5,910 Region Association: North East States |
i believe they are pexiglas, thus heat will allow you to work it, however too much heat can cause it to bubble, and / or ruin the surface finsh, so proceed with caution. if you can fix it with new seals, that would be best. Squeeky seals can be helped with a silicone lubricant. for seals, either modify a 914 stock seal, or look into a kit car supplier, or marine (boat) supply house for seals. maybe evan a vintage car seal company. The company names escape my mind right now, but try a internet search. some seal companies offer x-section views in their catalogs, hence you might be able to find something. if you do find workable seals, please PM me, as i too have a Saratoga top, not on car now, too many other things going on, so I have not researched it yet. i am sure something can be found. please let me know if you find good seal material thanks I second this request. I too have a s top and have been looking for the best seals. Anyone who reads this we, meaning s owners, I am sure, all would like some info or help and thanks beforehand. |
Mike D. |
Nov 6 2006, 07:50 PM
Post
#4
|
OK, It runs now, and pretty good too! Group: Members Posts: 1,445 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Santa Clarita, Ca Member No.: 85 Region Association: None |
I have one too. Mine used to seal out rain water better than the stock top. Not any more, the side seals have lost pieces. I put black foam rubber strips across the rear seal because it was so flat and that stopped the noise. I also need to rebuild the rear latch blocks as they have been stripped out and glued a couple of times. It's one of those jobs I've always been meaning to get to but never have. I really only use a few times a year so fixing it has alway been on the back burner...
|
zen motorcycle |
Nov 6 2006, 07:59 PM
Post
#5
|
almost not a newbie ( way less than a newbie) Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 21-May 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 6,038 Region Association: None |
I think my side seals have gone as there are remnants of foam rubber attacched to what looks like the original seal. Anyone have apicture or link to an original S top with seals?
|
GWN7 |
Nov 6 2006, 08:28 PM
Post
#6
|
King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
I have one (cracked) with all the hardware.....trial fitting it to the car I found the the materials they used (30 yrs ago) have dryed out and shrunk. If your seals have fallen apart then the dreaded ozone has got to it also.
I can make new ones for them but I'm not sure people will pay what it will cost to make them and if there is enough demand........ |
drew365 |
Nov 6 2006, 08:40 PM
Post
#7
|
These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
I sold the Saratoga top that came with my car several years ago. Just out of curiousity, how much does one weigh compared to a stock top?
|
zen motorcycle |
Nov 7 2006, 12:33 PM
Post
#8
|
almost not a newbie ( way less than a newbie) Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 21-May 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 6,038 Region Association: None |
Not sure how much lighter it is, as it has metal reinforcment pieces and I don't have a scale I can throw it on. It is lighter though
|
JeffBowlsby |
Nov 7 2006, 01:06 PM
Post
#9
|
914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,510 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
These are the best shots I have of the seals from my former S-top. The side seal is actually 2 seal profiles stacked and glued together. I believe these were original seals. There is also a rectangular seal at the front and rear that are not shown. Check JC Whitney...
Attached thumbnail(s) Attached image(s) |
Mike D. |
Nov 7 2006, 01:33 PM
Post
#10
|
OK, It runs now, and pretty good too! Group: Members Posts: 1,445 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Santa Clarita, Ca Member No.: 85 Region Association: None |
I'll get a pic of mine tonight, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't look like that. wonder if it was supposed to...
In fact mine is different across the front, and rear latch part is different too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
dmenche914 |
Nov 7 2006, 02:42 PM
Post
#11
|
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 27-February 03 From: California Member No.: 366 |
Beats me why Saratoga Top didn't desingnthis thing with provissions for the factroy seals, that would have made life much better for us.
|
JeffBowlsby |
Nov 7 2006, 05:35 PM
Post
#12
|
914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,510 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Mike, I think I recall seeing your S-top at the WCC2005 and it was different than mine. I have seen 2-3 different models...all with different details...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
I would do whatever it takes to get it to work right...and not worry about originality so much. I agree about the comment to just use stock seals. They should have designed them so the stock hardware and everything just ported over. |
GWN7 |
Nov 7 2006, 08:57 PM
Post
#13
|
King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
The proper way for the seals to work is they should match the curve line of the targa top and as there is no resting point (where the glass meets the roof) as in conventional cars, the seal should extend down on both sides of the window glass. This would make it water & wind proof.
From the pictures Jeff posted, it looks like the factory used various foam styles to make up the seals. |
zen motorcycle |
Nov 8 2006, 09:05 AM
Post
#14
|
almost not a newbie ( way less than a newbie) Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 21-May 06 From: Dallas Member No.: 6,038 Region Association: None |
Thanks, I am definitley missing some seals so I won't break out the heat gun yet. I couldn't tell from the picture did it have any seals running across the back portion where the top goes across the targa bar? both on the sides and in the back. It looked like something was there, but hard to tell.
Thanks again **Edit** do you have any Hi res shots you can send me? |
JeffBowlsby |
Nov 8 2006, 10:35 AM
Post
#15
|
914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,510 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Those are the best shots I have. There is a rear seal, it is the same profile as the front seal, which is in the photo.
|
kropkom |
Nov 14 2008, 07:23 PM
Post
#16
|
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 6-June 07 From: Ann Arbor, MI Member No.: 7,789 |
I also have a saratoga top that needs seals. If anyone solves this problem for all of us, include me.
<!-- quoteo(post=810748:date=Nov 6 2006, 05:02 PM:name=dmenche914) --><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dmenche914 @ Nov 6 2006, 05:02 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'><!-- quotec --> i believe they are pexiglas, thus heat will allow you to work it, however too much heat can cause it to bubble, and / or ruin the surface finsh, so proceed with caution. if you can fix it with new seals, that would be best. Squeeky seals can be helped with a silicone lubricant. for seals, either modify a 914 stock seal, or look into a kit car supplier, or marine (boat) supply house for seals. maybe evan a vintage car seal company. The company names escape my mind right now, but try a internet search. some seal companies offer x-section views in their catalogs, hence you might be able to find something. if you do find workable seals, please PM me, as i too have a Saratoga top, not on car now, too many other things going on, so I have not researched it yet. i am sure something can be found. please let me know if you find good seal material thanks <!-- QuoteEnd --></div><!-- QuoteEEnd --> I second this request. I too have a s top and have been looking for the best seals. Anyone who reads this we, meaning s owners, I am sure, all would like some info or help and thanks beforehand. |
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 18th May 2024 - 09:43 PM |
All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002 |
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community! We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ... |