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| ninefourteener |
 Nov 12 2003, 09:57 AM
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Perfectly Normal Guy :)  Group: Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 3-June 03 From: St. Louis, MO Member No.: 779  |
Had my teener going on 6 months now. Several upgrades accomplished already:
swapped pedrinis to fuchs installed Porsche emblem Aiwa Cd Component speakers Ultimate air dam air dam and rear valence painted to match the car. I'm "ok" with the fuchs... but the car needs a set of 16s or 17s and to be dropped 1.5 inches. I want to do a 5-lug conversion.... I also want to keep the fenders stock. Is there a kit? A kit that includes everything I need for a 5-lug conversion. I have the money to do it right, just wanna make sure I get quality stuff. I'm going to go with an aftermarket wheel, so a nice brake upgrade is definately in the works. Any suggestions? Places? Companies? Parts? Help! |
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| AZ914 |
Nov 12 2003, 10:13 AM
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914 Dumbass Group: Members Posts: 1,459 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson Member No.: 98 Region Association: Southwest Region |
As far as a 'kit' is concerned, I've personally seen two:
1. Automobile Atlanta's 5-Lug conversion kit. It basically gives you all the hardware you need. Problem is that they drill and tap standard 914 front rotors. Therefore if the rotor wears out, you will need to redrill and tap again. Also, this won't give you a brake upgrade. You would have to do this on your own. 2. Patrick Motorsports out of Phoenix sells complete 911 SC (or Carrera?) front ends (struts, brakes, cross members, a-arms, etc.) They also sell a rear kit which includes the 911 hubs/brakes etc. Only problem there is that you will lose your parking brake. If you are going to do it right, do it this way. Good Luck!! |
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| davep |
Nov 12 2003, 10:21 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,138 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
Use a 911 front end, steering rack not needed. A 914/6 rear end is the correct way to do the back. Only special parts are the 914/6 stub axles and 914/6 rear rotors. Use old 911 rear hubs. Your own axles do fit the 914/6 stub axle. Your calipers should also fit. Then there are upgrades. Ask me if you need more info on upgrades. That is a big topic.
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| ninefourteener |
Nov 12 2003, 10:22 AM
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Perfectly Normal Guy :) Group: Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 3-June 03 From: St. Louis, MO Member No.: 779 |
Hmmm... food for thought.
I'm going to research it, see what kind of $$$$ is involved with both options. If I do end up getting the hubs re-drilled, can anyone recommend a good "stock" brake upgrade. Can I put "big" brakes on the stock rotors? Will it look stupid behind a set of 17s?? I don't race the car, hell, I barely turn it past 4000 rpm, so performance isn't nearly as much of a consideration as appearance...... the brakes will definately be visible through the wheels... I want something that looks nice... I'm thinking willow green calipers to match the car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)) |
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| SirAndy |
Nov 12 2003, 10:55 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(ninefourteener @ Nov 12 2003, 08:22 AM) If I do end up getting the hubs re-drilled, can anyone recommend a good "stock" brake upgrade. Can I put "big" brakes on the stock rotors? Will it look stupid behind a set of 17s?? bigger brake calipers on a stock rotor is NOT a good idea. (has been discussed here before). why do you think you need a brake upgrade? (no, really, i'm asking your opinion) do the brakes feel spongy? you can't lock the tires, even if you try really hard? weak pedal? if so, you might need a new master cylinder or simply flush and clean out your braking system. the stock braking system is enough for a stock car that is not raced, IF in good condition. Andy |
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| dsmeyer |
Nov 12 2003, 10:55 AM
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'73 914 2.0 Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: 30-September 03 From: West Michigan Member No.: 1,210 |
Changing to 911 front struts makes the front track wider. Moving the front wheels out improves the looks and the handling.
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| SirAndy |
Nov 12 2003, 10:59 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
get a complete 911 front end for a donor car (read: porsche dismantler).
buy a later style, like from a mid '80s carrera. there are conversion kits for the rear hubs and stub-axels that give you "real" 5-lug in the back (not redrilled!) without you having to buy expensive, hard to find 914/6 parts. this allows for your stock calipers and parking brake. (i got mine from EASY) ... Andy |
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| JFJ914 |
Nov 12 2003, 01:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 813 Joined: 13-June 03 From: Alpharetta, GA Member No.: 814 Region Association: South East States
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For the fronts get some used Carrera struts w/ calipers and discs and some new balljoints. You don't need to change the rack, crossmember or A arms unless you want to.
At the rear ckeck Otto's, they were suppling a kit with all the parts needed. It included 2 used 911 hubs, 2 new reproduction 914/6 stub axles, 2 new bearings and 2 new 914/6 discs. It cost x$550 five years ago. You use the stock calipers and axles. |
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| davep |
Nov 12 2003, 01:31 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,138 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
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| ninefourteener |
Nov 12 2003, 02:20 PM
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Perfectly Normal Guy :) Group: Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 3-June 03 From: St. Louis, MO Member No.: 779 |
Yea....I'm thinking that last route sounds like the best option...as well as the most cost effective... definately looking into that... definately.
to answer questions....... no, my brakes are fine...My car underwent a complete ground up resto less than 10K ago... the brakes are perfect. I'm going to go with a 17x6 wheel.... something racy looking, so the brakes will be very visible. Brake upgrade will be for appearance purposes only. I hate the Honda guys that put these gigantic wheels on top of these itty-bitty brakes and rotors...it looks cheap..... trying to avoid that. Lastly..... If I go with 914-6 rotors...... is the lug pattern the same as the "typical" 5-lugs I see on the road? I want to have the same vast selection of wheels as everyone else with modern cars. Is this going to be a problem?? Is the lug pattern different on Porsche wheels?? |
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| JFJ914 |
Nov 12 2003, 02:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 813 Joined: 13-June 03 From: Alpharetta, GA Member No.: 814 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE Lastly..... If I go with 914-6 rotors...... is the lug pattern the same as the "typical" 5-lugs I see on the road? I want to have the same vast selection of wheels as everyone else with modern cars. Is this going to be a problem?? Is the lug pattern different on Porsche wheels?? Problem? YES! All Porsche wheels are 5 x 130mm. With this conversion you are limited to Porsche application wheels only. Mike Muller has made some custom hubs that can be drilled for almost anything, maybe he'll pop in. |
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| AZ914 |
Nov 12 2003, 02:37 PM
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914 Dumbass Group: Members Posts: 1,459 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson Member No.: 98 Region Association: Southwest Region |
914/6 rotors are just rotors, not hubs. Regardless, all the 5-lug stuff from the pre-1990 911 will work. The lug pattern is 130mm x 5. Keep this in mind as today's common 5-lug setups are not 130mm x 5, they are usually 110, 115, etc. I believe only a few German manufacturers still currently use the 130x5 lug pattern. If you have your heart set on some 'ricey' rims, you may have to consider redrilling your hubs to fit those lug patterns.
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| ninefourteener |
Nov 12 2003, 04:04 PM
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Perfectly Normal Guy :) Group: Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 3-June 03 From: St. Louis, MO Member No.: 779 |
Wow..... that just really changed my whole perspective on this project... I'm glad I know though, about the lug-pattern thing.
I once saw a pic (before I ever owned a teener) of a 350 conversion out on California. It was silver/grey, 17 inch, 4-lug "rice" wheels, flex-dam front spoiler, stock fenders,etc.... I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. Don't ask me where it is now... but I do remember how cool the whole "modern vs. classic" look was on a teener. Plus, the "rice" rims on normal lug patterns can be bought at such a good price, for a great wheel. Now.. a great set of 17s with tires can be bought for around $1000. Still doesn't solve my "big wheel, tiny brake" problem though. Still thinking....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Nov 12 2003, 04:11 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
im doing this exact thing this winter.
bought a 72 T front suspension (that year so i could use my /4 adj. koni inserts). I plan on buyig the rear kit from GPR or is it cheaper eslewhere (bearings, /6 rotors, stubs) |
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| 914gem |
Nov 12 2003, 08:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Greenwood Arkansas Member No.: 89 |
If you run the 914 rear calipers with your conversion, I have spacers that go between the caliper halves so you can run vented rotors in the rear. Also have some 911 struts and 1970 rear hubs with extra metal for 5 lug conversions. I even have a 19mm master cylinder.
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| Andyrew |
Nov 12 2003, 08:54 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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How about a current pic of the car??
Andrew 5 lug is good.. I like it a whole lot better. |
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| redshift |
Nov 12 2003, 09:51 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
QUOTE(ninefourteener @ Nov 12 2003, 12:22 PM) I barely turn it past 4000 rpm Your car hates you. M |
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| Andyrew |
Nov 12 2003, 10:21 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Heck I barely turn it past 4k because I aint got no power past that...
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| redshift |
Nov 12 2003, 10:25 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
It's hard to keep it above 4k, but I try.
I hate traffic, and redlights are a scourge to modern man. By the way, they time all the lights here so you get trapped by every one, and at night.. if they are green, they change to red as you approach. Sometimes, you sit alone at redlights around here for 4-5 minutes.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) I live in the dumbest place. Dumb asses. M |
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| Andyrew |
Nov 12 2003, 10:30 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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I bet George (AA) bought the street lights so you would have to stop and wait so hopefully somehting would break on your car and you would have to go buy something from him..
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Jk.. Andrew |
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