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Brad Roberts
post Nov 28 2006, 06:14 PM
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I like the spray bar on top of the head idea.

Honestly.. you are not removing the covers that often when you are autoX'ing. Valve adjusts are pretty infrequent.


but I see where Paul is coming from.


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post Nov 28 2006, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 28 2006, 04:14 PM) *

I like the spray bar on top of the head idea.

Honestly.. you are not removing the covers that often when you are autoX'ing. Valve adjusts are pretty infrequent.


but I see where Paul is coming from.


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If the oiler is on the outside of the valve cover (no room on the inside with the roller rockers) there is also the potential to break or bend the oiler every time it is removed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

The real challenge is getting the oil to three different places that require oiling within the rocker or valve. OK, let's say two as the oil from the pushrods goes right out the top now, with the fitting provided by the roller rocker folks.

My guess is that the pushrod oiling will splash the main needle bearing on the shaft.

But the oil isn't going to be moving uphill, hence the requirement for the oiler to spray the valve seat and the roller that sits on the valve.

Sorry I don't have a picture. Maybe Charles does.
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post Nov 28 2006, 07:09 PM
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If the oiler is on the outside of the valve cover (no room on the inside with the roller rockers) there is also the potential to break or bend the oiler every time it is removed.


Um... you use -4 braided line from the engine to the spray bar?? Paul couldnt figure this out??

undo the bail clips and flip the covers off to the side... no stress on the spray bar??

Britain did this on his turbo engine I built. Jay actually did the spray bars for him. I think Jake used Weber main jets in his spray bar to control the amount of oil.

I say do it just like the 911 engines and their spray bars.. tube with holes pointed at the rocker shaft.

FYI: I have never seen a failure. Pauter changed the material they used in the rockers way back.. I dont beleive the failures were do to lack of oil..more like "wrong" material.


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post Nov 28 2006, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 28 2006, 05:09 PM) *

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If the oiler is on the outside of the valve cover (no room on the inside with the roller rockers) there is also the potential to break or bend the oiler every time it is removed.


Um... you use -4 braided line from the engine to the spray bar?? Paul couldnt figure this out??

undo the bail clips and flip the covers off to the side... no stress on the spray bar??

Britain did this on his turbo engine I built. Jay actually did the spray bars for him. I think Jake used Weber main jets in his spray bar to control the amount of oil.

I say do it just like the 911 engines and their spray bars.. tube with holes pointed at the rocker shaft.

FYI: I have never seen a failure. Pauter changed the material they used in the rockers way back.. I dont beleive the failures were do to lack of oil..more like "wrong" material.




We are planning using a braded line from the engine to the spray bar. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Are you saying Britain's engine has the spray bar on the valve cover or on the head as we are doing?

BTW the failure happened to Charles in a street engine that was subject to long idles. It really shouldn't happen in a race engine, but better safe than sorry.

Actually Charles helped Pauter redesign the rockers after his oiling failure.
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post Nov 28 2006, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 28 2006, 04:14 PM) *

I like the spray bar on top of the head idea.

Honestly.. you are not removing the covers that often when you are autoX'ing. Valve adjusts are pretty infrequent.


but I see where Paul is coming from.


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for us on the outside - can you post the current car pics - from what I have seen its bootifulllllllll
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post Nov 29 2006, 01:34 AM
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Are you saying Britain's engine has the spray bar on the valve cover or on the head as we are doing?


Britains spray bars are on the outside. Pretty simple. Pretty straight forward.
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post Nov 29 2006, 01:37 AM
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Are you saying Britain's engine has the spray bar on the valve cover or on the head as we are doing?


Britains spray bars are on the outside. Pretty simple. Pretty straight forward.







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post Nov 29 2006, 04:26 AM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 29 2006, 02:37 AM) *

Britains spray bars are on the outside. Pretty simple. Pretty straight forward.


Don't get much simpler than that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And this is why dollars fly outta my wallet.

Nice going guys, you took a simple post and made me think of one more way to spend $$$$$

I gotta quite coming here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) But I am so addicted!!!!!

High, my name is Stephen, and I have a problem.

BTW, nice shot of your foot in the 1st pict.
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post Nov 29 2006, 12:46 PM
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I'm not claiming any of these pics.. I was just involved with the entire engine build for this project. Britain shot the pics! I knew I should have cropped them..LOL


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post Nov 29 2006, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(Bill Smith @ Nov 28 2006, 06:09 PM) *

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 28 2006, 04:14 PM) *

I like the spray bar on top of the head idea.

Honestly.. you are not removing the covers that often when you are autoX'ing. Valve adjusts are pretty infrequent.


but I see where Paul is coming from.


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for us on the outside - can you post the current car pics - from what I have seen its bootifulllllllll


Here are a couple:

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post Nov 29 2006, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(Bill Smith @ Nov 28 2006, 06:09 PM) *

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 28 2006, 04:14 PM) *

I like the spray bar on top of the head idea.

Honestly.. you are not removing the covers that often when you are autoX'ing. Valve adjusts are pretty infrequent.


but I see where Paul is coming from.


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for us on the outside - can you post the current car pics - from what I have seen its bootifulllllllll


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post Nov 30 2006, 03:01 PM
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Wow! Your car sure has evolved Randal!
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post Nov 30 2006, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(GTeener @ Nov 30 2006, 01:01 PM) *

Wow! Your car sure has evolved Randal!
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and it needs more
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post Nov 30 2006, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 30 2006, 01:11 PM) *

QUOTE(GTeener @ Nov 30 2006, 01:01 PM) *

Wow! Your car sure has evolved Randal!
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and it needs more



Always....
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post Nov 30 2006, 03:42 PM
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No no.. it needs LESS.. this is case where "less" is MORE!!



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No no.. it needs LESS.. this is case where "less" is MORE!!

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He meant it needs "more dissolving " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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brad - that oiling setup is pretty similar to the ones i saw on alot of Big Block HP motors....

and weber or solex jets have been used with success....
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post Dec 1 2006, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(GTeener @ Nov 30 2006, 01:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 30 2006, 01:42 PM) *

No no.. it needs LESS.. this is case where "less" is MORE!!

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He meant it needs "more dissolving " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)




I need to run a little tank, like Steve and Andrew.
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post Dec 1 2006, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(Randal @ Dec 1 2006, 08:42 AM) *

QUOTE(GTeener @ Nov 30 2006, 01:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 30 2006, 01:42 PM) *

No no.. it needs LESS.. this is case where "less" is MORE!!

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He meant it needs "more dissolving " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)




I need to run a little tank, like Steve and Andrew.



And figure out a removable starter.
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QUOTE(Randal @ Dec 1 2006, 08:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Randal @ Dec 1 2006, 08:42 AM) *

QUOTE(GTeener @ Nov 30 2006, 01:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 30 2006, 01:42 PM) *

No no.. it needs LESS.. this is case where "less" is MORE!!

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He meant it needs "more dissolving " (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)




I need to run a little tank, like Steve and Andrew.



And figure out a removable starter.


And find some really light wheels
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