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post Dec 4 2006, 11:43 AM
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710's are not track tires!


Kuhmo provided $3500 worth of 710's and some Victoracers as rains.

I was very interested to talk to the drivers about their impression of the tires.

They ALL loved them. They couldn't believe how well they stuck.
I saw ( touched ) the takeoff's from the first 7 hour stint. The left front was chunked and corded, but the rest looked just like mine do now.
A little into the wear bars.

I think they actually cycled the first tires back into the rotation.

710's are really good.
I'll be running on Sunday at TH. I want to put my 710's against my Hoosier's throughout the day for time comparison.


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post Dec 4 2006, 12:41 PM
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Trekkor, 710's are not track tires!


Let me know how many sets they went through.

I'll let you know how many Hoosiers people went through.


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post Dec 4 2006, 12:44 PM
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Rumor in the paddock, the winner had $160,000 in the car.


Of course he did.. that is what a "freshened" cup car sells for!! when they are 3 years old (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



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post Dec 4 2006, 07:48 PM
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The left front was chunked and corded


My mistake, it was the right front.
They only used two sets of 710's for the race.

They did use the takeoff rears as right fronts later.


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post Dec 4 2006, 08:00 PM
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well I guess that makes my decision for me....

new fresh 710s for next season... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/burnout.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 4 2006, 08:56 PM
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i was actually surprised how cheap a number of seats went for. i heard a number of seats going for 2500~ish. i'd love to do this.

what would it take to run a 914 1.7?

prepped car $10k
numerous parts, 1 complete parts car $1.5k
3 1.7 engines/transaxles (ready to drop/replace) $1.5k
2 sets of tires $1k
fuel, brake pads/rotors, misc: $1k
914club labor: $0

turning 2:25's when the rest of the field is turning 2:05's.... priceless


'course, at lot easier to just run a miata....
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post Dec 4 2006, 10:17 PM
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turning 2:25's when the rest of the field is turning 2:05's.... priceless


'course, at lot easier to just run a miata....


That's exactly it, you would be running 2:25's and running hard to do that in a 1.7L. Our Integra was running conservative 2:10's in E2.

We were pitted next to a team running a Datsun 240Z, and at about 3:00 a.m. found myself thinking about how a 914 with big 6 would do against the 911's in the fastest class. If anything, it would be great to see a 914 out there running around.
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post Dec 4 2006, 10:35 PM
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The whole idea would be a "club" activity.

I know what chassis/car we could use "Julius" the orange car I built several years ago.

4 sets of tires..
2 engines stock injected
2 tranny's (MSX boxes)

Yes a 6 cyl car would be more fun... but engines/tranny's would cost alot aftewards. We would just EBAY the 1.7's afterwards!!

Not sure what size tires they were running Trek (710's) but the math doesnt add up to $3500 if they only ran two sets and were "sponsored" by Kuhmo.


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post Dec 4 2006, 11:38 PM
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They ran 205/50/15's

they had sets of Victoracer's, too, which they did not use, in case it rained.

They must have had 24 tires available...I'll inquire some more from another driver of Team Kuhmo.


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post Dec 4 2006, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Dec 4 2006, 09:38 PM) *

They ran 205/50/15's

they had sets of Victoracer's, too, which they did not use, in case it rained.

They must have had 24 tires available...I'll inquire some more from another driver of Team Kuhmo.


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would they like to unload any of those unused tires?

I know a car or two that could run those sizes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 4 2006, 11:51 PM
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The Miata normally runs Toyos for spec racing.
I wonder if those tires could be had (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


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post Dec 4 2006, 11:58 PM
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If a 914 does run next year. It would be really great if someone with a wireless laptop was broadcasting live updates/video/interviews to the clubsite.

this is something that was lacking this year.


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BTW, a 25 hour track car should have 3.0 SIX or a Raby special
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post Dec 5 2006, 12:08 AM
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big bore short stroker....stump pulling torque...
Built for longevity Raby motor....that would get him some recognition.

we would need to get at least 5 or 6 of us licensed in Nasa to do W2W.

Tony C full cage to suspension pick up points.

the mind runs wild...if LNS can give it a shot with a 30+ year old car then I guess the 914 crowd could too.

Couldn't do any worse than alot of those factory backed ricers did. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 5 2006, 12:14 AM
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I've talked to a few folks about mounting a 914Club entry. We have enough race drivers in the paddock to try it out.

My thoughts were to run a 1.7 narrow body car. We could bring 2 or 3 engines/ tranny combos and assorted bits. A 1.7 car would run ~2:35's in traffic, maybe 2:30's. We could run in daylight, shut down in the evening, all go have dinner and a movie, come back and watch for a while then go back to the hotel and sleep in a nice WARM bed and start back up at first light in the morning.

When we're done, we just gather up our bits and leave.

It's doable, but I think if we wanted to do it budget conscious and plan it right, we would target for the 2008 event, not next year's.

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post Dec 5 2006, 12:21 AM
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OK, Bill,

are we going to totally redo the GGR points system or are we going to build a 25 hour car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Dec 5 2006, 12:33 AM
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Talk about "the dark side"... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif)


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post Dec 5 2006, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Dec 4 2006, 10:33 PM) *

Talk about "the dark side"... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif)


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Trek, it is only really Dark for about 6-8 hours. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Dec 5 2006, 12:58 AM
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True.


I will support any 914 entry.


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post Dec 5 2006, 10:34 AM
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OK – Lets think about this.

Reference: 2:25 lap times for the full 25 Hours = 619 laps

Reality – Pit stops, Etc.:

24 Hours = 595 laps

23 Hours = 570 laps

22 Hours = 545 laps

That’s up to 3 hours of down time.

If you check the scoring shown at http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread....threadid=317973

These times would put the car in the middle of the pack – which would not be a bad showing for a vintage 914.

If it was a 2.0 the number of laps would even be better.

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post Dec 5 2006, 10:45 AM
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We could run in daylight, shut down in the evening, all go have dinner and a movie, come back and watch for a while then go back to the hotel and sleep in a nice WARM bed and start back up at first light in the morning.


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Now you're talking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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