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post Dec 5 2006, 10:52 AM
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*Update*

The #68 team Kuhmo, used 3 sets of the 710's of the four sets given them and did not use any of the Victo's.

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post Dec 5 2006, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Dec 5 2006, 08:52 AM) *

*Update*

The #68 team Kuhmo, used 3 sets of the 710's of the four sets given them and did not use any of the Victo's.

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Very impressive for an "AX" tire. ...Or should I say a soft compound road race tire now?
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post Dec 5 2006, 11:41 AM
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http://www.shedracing.com/2006_25hours

Fun write-up and pictures.


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post Dec 5 2006, 01:06 PM
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Their blistering problem is EXACTLY what ALL of who have ran them have found.

I totally agree they kick ass.. they just dont last on the HEAVY cars. They appear to work just fine on the lighter cars (which is want I was pointing out many months ago) We also have NO idea if they were running what they ship. When we run these types of events.. we "get" unmarked tires that are typically "test" tires if we are sponsored.

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post Dec 5 2006, 01:07 PM
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Bill,

It can easily be done for 07.

We have the people. We have the talent. We have the resources.

I have multiple cars to choose from.. to build..

Julius is ready to go. It needs an engine. I have the MSX trans.

It already has TC Design cage and is SCCA legal.

The hardest part: the seat has to be movable..


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post Dec 5 2006, 01:10 PM
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We could also build my lightweight car. I planned it to be a narrow body car with HPH flares I have already bought.

I also have a MSX LSD tranny (that we talked about)

I cant afford the engine for it...


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post Dec 5 2006, 01:58 PM
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If we build something.. and not "borrow" a chassis. It would be for sale after the event so we could recover.

We built the 993 we ran last year in several months prior to the event. It was only tested one time by ME at Willow Springs prior to the 25hr. I found the gearbox problem, but it wasnt correctly repaired (which is why we lost)

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It "cost" 20k to run that car at the event. We had 2 paying drivers + Randy + Craig+Betim. This included the RV rental, entry fees, hotel, food, gas, plus $300 to each crew member.

Trekkor saw our pit area last year. We know how to do it. I can get a MONSTER 5th wheel with generator/heaters/work area. If I show up.. I'm going to show up PRO (even with a 914)

Here is Julius during Thill testing (I was testing different cooling openings. It has an airdam)

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post Dec 5 2006, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Dec 5 2006, 11:10 AM) *

We could also build my lightweight car. I planned it to be a narrow body car with HPH flares I have already bought.

I also have a MSX LSD tranny (that we talked about)

I cant afford the engine for it...


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I'd pay for a driving seat in something like this which could be used to pay for part of a motor. By 2008 I should have some W2W under my belt. If I was involved I could probably muster some decent sponsorship as well.

I'd be very interested in helping to make this happen.
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post Dec 5 2006, 02:28 PM
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NASA requires that you run a couple of events prior to the race, but I know for a fact that Betim didnt run ANY NASA events all year. He just has a NASA license from Seattle.

I would pee my pants waiting for 08...LOL We could all NASA license at the same event. I'm ready with the Boxster "tomorrow" if need be.

I wouldnt even have to drive the event.. I could get a couple of other SCCA E-Prod guys like Ron Wicker as our "shoe" or even Bontempi depending on how much he weighs right now..LOL

Ron would pay + plus bring trailer. He is out of Napa.

Figure 5 drivers (or even 6 if you want to run all night)


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post Dec 5 2006, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Dec 4 2006, 08:58 AM) *

Damn.. my buddy (and multiple 914 owner) Richard Hatfield (owner of Alliance Financial) took 3rd.

Something is wrong. I personally know multiple drivers in the top 3 cars?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I think I will persue a seat next year (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



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Did Hatfield drive??
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post Dec 5 2006, 02:30 PM
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The running local joke is that I would put a injected 1.7 in the lightweight car just to have something besides the Boxster to run at AutoX (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I can get 2.0's also.. injected.. one fresh.. one "seasoned"


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post Dec 5 2006, 02:31 PM
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Hatfield DID drive!!

We were on grid last year hanging out and BS'ing..

How about a V8 car with a stock GM aluminum headed crate engine??LOL


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post Dec 5 2006, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Dec 5 2006, 12:31 PM) *

Hatfield DID drive!!

We were on grid last year hanging out and BS'ing..

How about a V8 car with a stock GM aluminum headed crate engine??LOL


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That's cool...I drove by his house about a month ago but I was with the wife and kids so I didn't stop by to see his latest projects....

Give me call....when you can...
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post Dec 5 2006, 10:02 PM
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I'm curious what does it take to enter this event? While I'm a complete rookie I think I have ability to raise sponsorship, attract drivers and get a car. With goal of driving this event I think I could accelerate my W2W aspirations. This event looks like a blast.
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post Dec 5 2006, 10:45 PM
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http://www.nasa25hour.com/rules.php

Need a race liscense and 8 races under your belt. entry fees are about $1100 per team. Brad's number of $20k for the event seems about right to me. With a car, 4-5 paying drivers, a volunteer crew, and a bit of sponsorship, it seems very realistic.

btw, grant, i have my '07 race schedule now...
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post Dec 6 2006, 01:00 AM
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Need a race liscense and 8 races under your belt.


I can get us all in with just 4 races. I have worked with JerryK on this multiple times. He know's "of me" and knows Fordahl VERY well. Our 993 only had 2 NASA licensed peron.. the rest had "pro".. Betim was the only one with a "club" license and he ran NO events in 05 besides the 25hr. race.

It comes down to your experience. Do you have 20+ track days of dealing with other people?? This is the type of stuff they want to know. Recent physical...blah blah.

A few more Kart events for Nathan and NASA would hand him a license with one checkout ride in HPDE Group 4.


I have been through this numerous times with SCCA/NASA/PCA..

POC is the only one that will not cut anyone any slack unless you have a IMSA license...


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post Dec 6 2006, 01:15 AM
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I'll donate my labor to build two 2056s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm not very familiar with the race, are most teams usually out for a few laps doing repairs? Including the winning teams?
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post Dec 6 2006, 01:36 AM
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Teams hope that the only reason to stop is for fuel, driver and tires.
( maybe front brake pads )

Anything else is a surprise.

A pit stop to do rust repair (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif)


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post Dec 6 2006, 02:08 AM
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We wouldnt need brakes or pads in a 1.7 car!!! LOL

Trek nailed it. Most well prepaired teams dont have major mechanical down time.

In 04 we replaced both rear axles on the Fordahl 993RSR in less than 13min. This is a small miracle!! You have to drop the rear wheel carriers/arms... two teams of three on either side of the car. We actually practiced it knowing damn well the axles wouldnt last for 25hrs.LOL Porsche Motorsports sells "24hr" axles.. they are not kidding..LOL


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post Dec 6 2006, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(nebreitling @ Dec 4 2006, 09:56 PM) *

'course, at lot easier to just run a miata....


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I can see it now: "Introducing car #44, a '93 Mazda Miata sponsored by 914world.com"

As far as fuel consumption, doesn't a 1.7L already get good gas mileage in stock form?

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