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| jgara962 |
 Dec 6 2006, 01:30 PM
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Yo, this is how I roll  Group: Members Posts: 823 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Napa, CA Member No.: 3,879 Region Association: Northern California  |
QUOTE(nebreitling @ Dec 5 2006, 08:45 PM)  http://www.nasa25hour.com/rules.php Need a race liscense and 8 races under your belt. entry fees are about $1100 per team. Brad's number of $20k for the event seems about right to me. With a car, 4-5 paying drivers, a volunteer crew, and a bit of sponsorship, it seems very realistic. btw, grant, i have my '07 race schedule now... 20K seems a little high. We were talking about it on the way home from this year's race, and figured it would be about 6K to campaign the M3 Lightweight that we came in 2nd with last year. That is for fuel, tires, entry fees, and doesn't include rooms, food, paying the crew guys anything. That's just getting the car on the track. But I don't imagine the other things could add up to more than a few thousand more. I hope you guys can get it together. It would be so cool to see a 914 out there! |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 04:25 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
QUOTE 20K seems a little high We brought two LARGE trucks and two large trailers from San Diego. It was over 1k in diesel fuel!! PLUS the RV and fuel. Race gas was almost 3k.. I dont recall how many 55 gallon drums we went thru @ $5+ PER gallon. We had a crew of 10. Somebody was "almost" cooking on the grill at all times!! B |
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| Crazyhippy |
Dec 6 2006, 04:46 PM
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Insert witty comment here... Group: Members Posts: 1,659 Joined: 28-July 05 From: Home of the Coyotes, AZ Member No.: 4,493 Region Association: None |
I'm so in to crew...
Send a 1.7 or 2 out to be freshened, carbs, cam... I might even be able to Donate a motor if needed (my old 1.7, if i can get it back cheap enough) When do we start building? BJH |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 04:52 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
I have two cars to choose from. One needs to be welded + poweder coated... assembled. It had no windshield.. Ginther style, but has a legal cage. It needs some minor tube work+some kind of light floorboards.
The other is complete.. it needs an engine. It is the orange car above. The only "major" thing it needs is a movable seat and wired for radio's. So.. I can offer two options. Build the one I have with parts I have.. or go with a proven car. It doesnt have all the trick stuff in it like roller bearings and such, but it is a good solid car with only a few track events on it. It still has the stock radio in it!! NO RUST. B |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 04:53 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Ha ha.. keep it simple.. run a single weber progressive 2 barrel carb on a 1.7 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/alfred.gif)
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| Crazyhippy |
Dec 6 2006, 04:56 PM
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Insert witty comment here... Group: Members Posts: 1,659 Joined: 28-July 05 From: Home of the Coyotes, AZ Member No.: 4,493 Region Association: None |
Mines still FI...
Are the HP gains from a new cam worth going to carbs and losing some MPG?? |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 04:58 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
The whole idea is a throw away engine with NO mods. Just strong/decent with little to NO leaks. Not that big of deal to reseal an engine.
I wouldnt want to fight the carbs for 25hrs. It is super cold each year up there. B |
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| nine14cats |
Dec 6 2006, 05:11 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
That's why I say we gather together 2 or 3 1.7's, a few extra 901's, assorted 914 bits and do it the 914Club way...on a budget.
As the club moves more "big time" we'll have an opportunity to build a specific car that can compete (i.e. The Beast™) and to show up with RV's and tractor trailers...we could just show up like we do normally and run in the show. And I say we park the car at night and all go into town for dinner and a movie and sleep in a nice WARM room and bed, then come out the next morning and start running again. It gives the car a break and if we have 4 to 6 drivers, instead of (3) 2 hour stints each you could either do single 2 hours stints or 2 (1) hour stints. Club members with W2W experience could drive a stint, then become part of the pit crew for the remainder of the event. We wouldn't have maximum laps, but we'd have a pretty good shot at still being one of the teams still running at the end of the event. Bill P. |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 05:24 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Hum.. where I have heard this before??
Go see a movie with Tony Heyer?? LOL OK. Done. Do we have to wait for 08 to run this setup? I'll license as soon as possible with them. My buddy Tim asked if I would run a GT3cup car with "914Club" on it back on Monday.. then somebody mentioned "Miata" here with 914club.. funny guy's! B |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 05:28 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Betim sent me a TXT this morning..
Told me to let the forum know that HIS shop prepped the GT3Cup car prior to the event (this is how he paid for his seat in the car) Obviously a little birdy watching this thread told him we were "chatting" about him. B |
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| anthony |
Dec 6 2006, 05:31 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218  |
I'm just curious about the drivers paying for a seat. What is the protocol?
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 05:36 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Depends on the effort.
Typical seat in a winning effort will be 3-5k per driver depending on how many drivers you want. Some people bring cash. Some bring tires Some bring sponsors Some supply the car Some supply the transport Some supply the crew The options are limitless. B |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 05:37 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Or do you mean: how do you go about signing up for a seat?
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| Crazyhippy |
Dec 6 2006, 05:47 PM
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Insert witty comment here... Group: Members Posts: 1,659 Joined: 28-July 05 From: Home of the Coyotes, AZ Member No.: 4,493 Region Association: None |
Who brings the strippers??
Or is it a BYO sorta thing?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) Find the right car, and we could do the 24hrs of lemons, and then the 25 @ t-hill both (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) BJH |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 05:50 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
The strippers are brought from Sacremento Sat. night during the race.
Typically we go to Chico... (cause it was ranked no.1 party school by Playboy for umteen years in a row!!!) The only issue chicks have with attending the event: it is COLD sometimes.. Like this cold... in 2004 B Attached image(s) 
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| anthony |
Dec 6 2006, 06:33 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Dec 6 2006, 03:37 PM) Or do you mean: how do you go about signing up for a seat? Didn't mean that. What you said before was what I thought but it kind of sounded like a specific racing term or something. So basically, the cost to run is shared by drivers if it's an amateur team. Obviously, I assume, the drivers on the Pro teams are being paid. |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 06:52 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
*Most* of the time.. the Professional drivers are driving for free. Typically they wont do this unless you have a winning combination ready to go. We floated them 1k each and took care of all hotel/air-fare and such.
They know this is grassroots style.. it is kind viewed as "their" way to give back to the racing community.. Ever wonder how bad ass a Pro is? Take this into consideration about Randy Pobst: Our car was stuck in 5th gear.. he was still 3 seconds a lap faster than the Lost in Space drivers. Both cars powered by stock 3.6L engines. I would imagine our car was heavier considering we started with a 993. We where on BIG slicks however! 3 seconds.. stuck in 5th gear. He was laughing on the radio with us because he was being "pulled" out of turn 6 by Miata's..LOL he would catch and pass them again.. B |
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| jgara962 |
Dec 6 2006, 07:17 PM
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Yo, this is how I roll Group: Members Posts: 823 Joined: 5-April 05 From: Napa, CA Member No.: 3,879 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Dec 6 2006, 02:25 PM) QUOTE 20K seems a little high We brought two LARGE trucks and two large trailers from San Diego. It was over 1k in diesel fuel!! PLUS the RV and fuel. Race gas was almost 3k.. I dont recall how many 55 gallon drums we went thru @ $5+ PER gallon. We had a crew of 10. Somebody was "almost" cooking on the grill at all times!! B Your right, we're kind of talking apples and oranges. We had one tripple axle trailer from Marin, a crew of six (all working for free (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ) and I think we only went through 3+ 55 gallon drums of gas. I can't imagine the cost of gas just for the trucks and tailers from So Cal! |
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| Brad Roberts |
Dec 6 2006, 07:33 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
We basically have to move the shop with us..lol
The large trailer carried nothing but spares+wheels+pit equipment. I brought the car up by myself and nothing else in the trailer. Nevermind I ran to Paul Guards house and bought new friction plates for our ZF limited slip and had Gamroth on the phone trying to get them installed correctly the night before the race..LOL hard to drink beer when your hands are cold... B |
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| nebreitling |
Dec 6 2006, 08:02 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
i still say it could be a serious expense, but with enough volunteers and semi-free engines/parts, i could concede it being a 10k effort (minus price of the car). getting an RV (or two) is the only way to go. drivers need cat-naps.
as brad said, from what i've heard, most pros aren't being paid, but their expenses are certainly taken care of. the 25hours ain't grand-am (where pros could earn 5-10k per race). how quick can we do an engine/transaxle R/R? i'm betting that if we practice, it could take less than 20 minutes. for a 1.7, i don't think we'd need LSD, but short gears would be a help. |
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