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[PORobinSCHE]

Trekkor(KT) i have never met you, nor do i have an axe to grind. i value your knowledge and willingness to provide such. i would prefer if you stayed, your contributions to the 914 community are important.
my only issue is the rift you have caused. if you are unhappy with the site, don't log on. but please, let the ashes cool before throw more gas on the fire.

Robin

i am not the brightest star in the universe, but i am part of it

[rhodyguy]

"Rosebud..." and the snowglobe is dropped, and shatters on the floor. cut to credits.

k

[John]

This site (unlike Brad's site) still should allow the poster of a post to edit it.

That being said, there is nothing (currently) that would prevent Trekkor from editing his own previous posts as he sees fit.

Brad's site, on the other hand (currently) does not allow authors to edit past posts. I believe that Brad feels that he "owns" the content on his site.

I have feelings (just as Trekkor does) only mine are flopped the other way around. I no longer want to be associated with the 914club dot com site or it's administrator/owner, but am unable to edit my past posts (on his site).



This is just my opinion.

[cooltimes]

Silence might be better.
Mike Cooley

[Bartlett 914]

Hello,

I hung out with Brad and Andy tonight at the 3.6 conversion, and don't think there's any point in side taking. . . things have come to an agreed resolution. Sure, it certainly could have been less dramatic. . . well, couldn't have been more dramatic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but it's done.

I'm personally a fan of information redundancy. If one site goes down temporarily for whatever reason, there's a much better chance that the critical information I need or the critical advice I need to get will still be available. Please keep the vital 914 data up on both servers. Plus, if both servers simultaneously go down, I still have NARP to turn to.

Thanks for that input. That is the best thing I have read in this thread. It's time we realized that there is less competition in all the sites then we realize. They in fact complement each other. There is more than enough to spread around. I not only don't mind moving around into other sites, I rather like it.

This bickering makes me ill. Move on!

[Trekkor]

Communicating on an open forum is a funny thing isn't it?

Most assume that my intentions were bad. trying to start a fight or what not.

I can't even tell you how many times I've seen this happen "normal" threads. I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about.


Anyway, I started this thread, not as an attack against the membership.
I only "know" a handfull of you, so I'm at a loss as why you take it personal. Read over the opening remarks again.

I made a simple request. That hasn't been adressed.
C'mon, I can't even delete this thread.


KT

[Trekkor]

What's not going to happen?

Adress the subject, delete my content, delete this thread?

Little help here... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


Also, I find it very interesting that I decide to vent my feelings, apparently alone in them, and then members cry out for my banishment.

Yay team (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)


I kept a lot of this bottled up. Yeah, it's just a website.
I guess I got sucked in.



KT

[cooltimes]

When in doubt of other's reasoning, look at your own and you will see they are very much like your own under certain conditions.
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Cooley

[grantsfo]

Hello,

I hung out with Brad and Andy tonight at the 3.6 conversion, and don't think there's any point in side taking. . . things have come to an agreed resolution. Sure, it certainly could have been less dramatic. . . well, couldn't have been more dramatic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but it's done.

I'm personally a fan of information redundancy. If one site goes down temporarily for whatever reason, there's a much better chance that the critical information I need or the critical advice I need to get will still be available. Please keep the vital 914 data up on both servers. Plus, if both servers simultaneously go down, I still have NARP to turn to.

I completely agree, It would be nice to see admins 914world reciprocate similar approach on the 914club board. Appears several admins here want their cake and to eat it too. I havent seen admins from 914club coming here to complain about terms of the breakup. Just move on and stop whining. If you have an issue handle it over the phone.

[chunger]

Instead of getting confused, mad, and keeping emotions inside or venting here, it's good therapy for those who are able to just head over to Yeoman Auto Body today, help a fellow teener put a 3.6 in a race car, hang out with Brad and Andy, have a beer since I'm sure Butch is supplying the troops (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)

914 people still help each other out. That's where we started. That's what we're still doing whether it's here, the "other" site, or the "other" "other" site, or the "other" "other" "other" site. I feel a lot better after a tiny bit of fabbing w/ new and old friends around a 914.

[highways]

Since there was a "legal" agreement to share the content, and considering that the content is owned by the sites, I dont think you can actually legally demand to have it removed.

That's incorrect, yes you can.

[

Is the content here owned by the site? Who or whom is the site?

I was under the impression that all the informtion contained on this site, was free and accessable by all, and owned by none.
Is that the case?

An author always owns the content of what they write. Even when you post on the internet- you have an automatic copyright of your own material- assuming that it's your own words and ideas.

good question dan.

i thought my threads were mine. and i WAS free to delete anything I put into this site or any other site. as well as my posts to other threads.
because they are MY posts and threads. as well as i did not sign my rights over to anyone to control MY content.

Exactly- the ONLY way you could lose your implicit copyright of something you wrote is if you actually sign your rights away on an actual piece of paper. And that raises other issues- if the person/company you 'sign' your rights away to intends to make money from your writings- you are still entitled to be 'reasonably compensated' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Interesting question: who owns what is posted?

Know a little about this, wife has been in publishing (magazine and web) for over 20 years. Generally once you post in a forum like this, it goes into the public domain UNLESS you copy right it.

Wrong, because of the nature of posting on the internet- it is considered to be 'automatically' copyrighted

Copyright, January 12, 2007 by gregrobbins

Warning to all, this post is protected and may not be copied or altered without written permission of the author.

So you don't even have to do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Brad's site, on the other hand (currently) does not allow authors to edit past posts. I believe that Brad feels that he "owns" the content on his site.


I have feelings (just as Trekkor does) only mine are flopped the other way around. I no longer want to be associated with the 914club dot com site or it's administrator/owner, but am unable to edit my past posts (on his site).

Brad does not 'own' the content on his site. He own's a domain name, an LLC, and a logo. Even if he put a notice at the top of the page saying that he 'owned' whatever you wrote- that still would not legally cut it. He must obtain your written signature. You have options, John. You can mail Brad a 'Cease and Desist' letter stating that you do not want him to continue using your posts. Then you sign it. Then he is legally obligated to remove your postings. A similar thing could even be done with a group letter that contains everyones signature. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) But it must all be done on real paper to be legally binding. Certified mail doesn't hurt either.

Everyone seems to have different idea's about 'who owns what'. Copyright is pretty simple. It has worked well for authors, artists, song writers, ect., for many years. The internet is a slightly different animal because you are submitting your material into the public domain, true. But that still does not remove your implicit rights of ownership and copyright on your own original material.

I'm not saying anyone should remove anything... I just think all this confusion around the issue is rather distracting and leads to arguments.

[martinef1963]

I'm a rookie on the subject 914 and I value the threads that are posted here. I find the the 914club vs 914 world is just bad for 914 enthusiast.

I speak for myself when I say - it is just sad that a bunch of grown men can't understnad that we are different and we have differences of opinions.

That is what makes this country a wonderful place to live - freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of submiting threads to either 914world, 914 club, 914 whatever.

As a rookie I would like to know that there is a 914 site that doesn't have sooooooooooooo mmuuuuuucccccch drama.

just my .02

I am always open to "constructive" critism - please.

[Part Pricer]

Since there was a "legal" agreement to share the content, and considering that the content is owned by the sites, I dont think you can actually legally demand to have it removed.

That's incorrect, yes you can.

[

Is the content here owned by the site? Who or whom is the site?

I was under the impression that all the informtion contained on this site, was free and accessable by all, and owned by none.
Is that the case?

An author always owns the content of what they write. Even when you post on the internet- you have an automatic copyright of your own material- assuming that it's your own words and ideas.

good question dan.

i thought my threads were mine. and i WAS free to delete anything I put into this site or any other site. as well as my posts to other threads.
because they are MY posts and threads. as well as i did not sign my rights over to anyone to control MY content.

Exactly- the ONLY way you could lose your implicit copyright of something you wrote is if you actually sign your rights away on an actual piece of paper. And that raises other issues- if the person/company you 'sign' your rights away to intends to make money from your writings- you are still entitled to be 'reasonably compensated' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Interesting question: who owns what is posted?

Know a little about this, wife has been in publishing (magazine and web) for over 20 years. Generally once you post in a forum like this, it goes into the public domain UNLESS you copy right it.

Wrong, because of the nature of posting on the internet- it is considered to be 'automatically' copyrighted

Copyright, January 12, 2007 by gregrobbins

Warning to all, this post is protected and may not be copied or altered without written permission of the author.

So you don't even have to do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Brad's site, on the other hand (currently) does not allow authors to edit past posts. I believe that Brad feels that he "owns" the content on his site.


I have feelings (just as Trekkor does) only mine are flopped the other way around. I no longer want to be associated with the 914club dot com site or it's administrator/owner, but am unable to edit my past posts (on his site).

Brad does not 'own' the content on his site. He own's a domain name, an LLC, and a logo. Even if he put a notice at the top of the page saying that he 'owned' whatever you wrote- that still would not legally cut it. He must obtain your written signature. You have options, John. You can mail Brad a 'Cease and Desist' letter stating that you do not want him to continue using your posts. Then you sign it. Then he is legally obligated to remove your postings. A similar thing could even be done with a group letter that contains everyones signature. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) But it must all be done on real paper to be legally binding. Certified mail doesn't hurt either.

Everyone seems to have different idea's about 'who owns what'. Copyright is pretty simple. It has worked well for authors, artists, song writers, ect., for many years. The internet is a slightly different animal because you are submitting your material into the public domain, true. But that still does not remove your implicit rights of ownership and copyright on your own original material.

I'm not saying anyone should remove anything... I just think all this confusion around the issue is rather distracting and leads to arguments.

Interesting post. However, if it were that cut-and-dry, the lawyers would be a little less well-to-do.

You are correct in that the author of a post owns the copyright of that post and the content. However by willingly posting it on a site, they are giving that site owner de facto rights to replicate their posts. These are usually considered non-revokable.

So, yes you own the post. But, clicking that button to submit it, you've just agreed that you now have a partner.

[highways]

Interesting post. However, if it were that cut-and-dry, the lawyers would be a little less well-to-do.

You are correct in that the author of a post owns the copyright of that post and the content. However by willingly posting it on a site, they are giving that site owner de facto rights to replicate their posts. These are usually considered non-revokable.

So, yes you own the post. But, clicking that button to submit it, you've just agreed that you now have a partner.

Some friends I spoke with did not think it was 'non-revokable'- but they could be wrong. Both actually thought a posters implicit copyright was non-revokable without a signature.

"But, clicking that button to submit it, you've just agreed that you now have a partner." For sure, that is true. And a partnership is also terminable. Especially when the intended use of your submission changes later down the road.
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[Brew]

Also, I find it very interesting that I decide to vent my feelings, apparently alone in them, and then members cry out for my banishment.

Yay team (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

And you were expecting what exactly??? Everybody to cry for our loss? Get over yourself.

You didn't vent your feelings, you asked for all your posts to be deleted, to show how "*dissatisfied* you are with the direction of World. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)

[KaptKaos]

It's all a ploy to get that Home Depot banner ad running over here.

[Twystd1]

Trekkor,

You are seriously brilliant.

You are the very best I have seen in a long time.

My face is hurting from laughing.

And another part of me wonders what the need to effect/control others is all about..
Cept thats your business....... not mine.

Either way...

I get it.

You are the MASTER in this game...... Nice work.

Grant doesn't even come close..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

As my grandfather would of said in his most eloquent english accent.....
"Good show old man"....

Keep all 4 on the ground Trek...

Clayton

[Dave_Darling]

As a rookie I would like to know that there is a 914 site that doesn't have sooooooooooooo mmuuuuuucccccch drama.

Well, there's the Pelican and Roadglue sites. Their forums don't have anywhere near this much drama. The downside is they are not nearly as active...

An author always owns the content of what they write. Even when you post on the internet- you have an automatic copyright of your own material- assuming that it's your own words and ideas.

My understanding on this subject matches yours. You always own the rights to your own thoughts, ideas, and words. When you post on a forum, you do not lose that right, nor grant someone else ownership or co-ownership. You do implicitly grant someone a license to duplicate the ideas and distribute them... But the exact question of "who" and "to what end" is not something that always has a very straightforward answer.

--DD

[Trekkor]

Trekkor,

You are seriously brilliant.

You are the very best I have seen in a long time.

My face is hurting from laughing.

And another part of me wonders what the need to effect/control others is all about..
Cept thats your business....... not mine.

Either way...

I get it.

You are the MASTER in this game...... Nice work.

Grant doesn't even come close..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

As my grandfather would of said in his most eloquent english accent.....
"Good show old man"....

Keep all 4 on the ground Trek...

Clayton

Ummmm, thanks?



KT

[Trekkor]

In the words of Mikez, Aaron and Andy, "Bye bye"....


"I've created a crawl space under my all time low".
"Pffffssst!! You've just been dog whispered"


KT