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| grantsfo |
 Feb 6 2007, 07:35 PM
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Arrrrhhhh!  Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None  |
I couldn't resist creating this anonymous poll! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| DanT |
Feb 6 2007, 07:40 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(grantsfo @ Feb 6 2007, 05:35 PM)  I wonder if you will get any responses Grant? An interesting poll considering all the discussions we have had lately about rules and classification... |
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| Crazyhippy |
Feb 6 2007, 07:42 PM
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Insert witty comment here... Group: Members Posts: 1,659 Joined: 28-July 05 From: Home of the Coyotes, AZ Member No.: 4,493 Region Association: None |
nope, class me w/ the regular 2liters... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| drew365 |
Feb 6 2007, 08:30 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
I think you would get a lot of votes for:
I use creative interpretation of the rules. |
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| nine14cats |
Feb 6 2007, 08:31 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Nope...no need to cheat for me...no amount of cheating would overcome my lack of talent.
As a driver....I suck!.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| grantsfo |
Feb 6 2007, 09:47 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 6 2007, 05:40 PM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Feb 6 2007, 05:35 PM) I wonder if you will get any responses Grant? An interesting poll considering all the discussions we have had lately about rules and classification... What's funny is I build pretty good relationships with mechanics who work on my car. I hear about all the stuff that goes unreported in our region. I have been encouraged not to report some of the modifcations on my car by several mechanics saying everyone does this. I refuse to knowingly under report modifications. I recently realized that last year I misclassified my car due to not properly classifying conversion (I started with 914/6 base rather than 1.8), but it wouldnt have changed my overall classification last year. I know in talking with many inexpereinced GGR particpants that they under report. Many people just class their car on base points when they infact have suspension or tire mods. I even know of a certain 997 driver who classed his car as a Boxster at an event last year! |
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| grantsfo |
Feb 6 2007, 09:51 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(drew365 @ Feb 6 2007, 06:30 PM) I think you would get a lot of votes for: I use creative interpretation of the rules. Example of a creative interpretation? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| DanT |
Feb 6 2007, 09:54 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(grantsfo @ Feb 6 2007, 07:47 PM) QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 6 2007, 05:40 PM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Feb 6 2007, 05:35 PM) I wonder if you will get any responses Grant? An interesting poll considering all the discussions we have had lately about rules and classification... What's funny is I build pretty good relationships with mechanics who work on my car. I hear about all the stuff that goes unreported in our region. I have been encouraged not to report some of the modifcations on my car by several mechanics saying everyone does this. I refuse to knowingly under report modifications. I recently realized that last year I misclassified my car due to not properly classifying conversion (I started with 914/6 base rather than 1.8), but it wouldnt have changed my overall classification last year. I know in talking with many inexpereinced GGR particpants that they under report. Many people just class their car on base points when they infact have suspension or tire mods. I even know of a certain 997 driver who classed his car as a Boxster at an event last year! I know a guy with a '98 Boxster with a factory 996 (3.4L) conversion...car used to belong to a factory rep... the new owner knows about the motor but still classes the car as a stock 2.5L. He is a smart guy....doesnt he think anyone he has told about his car looks at the points? Go figure. Every mechanic in this area can tell you some pretty interesting stories. Especially from the late '80s and '90s. Even some local machinists have been known to tell you about some tricks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Problem with our current points system is that some folks are making an honest attempt to point their cars but there is so much interpretation out there that you can completely mis-class your car without really meaing to....like the engine swap/increase section. |
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| SirAndy |
Feb 6 2007, 09:57 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,623 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(grantsfo @ Feb 6 2007, 05:35 PM) Do you cheat? not intentionally. takes the fun out of it, somehow ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy |
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| Andyrew |
Feb 6 2007, 10:12 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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naw.. just build a bad ass car, label it as "stock until proven otherwise" and have your oponents go at it..
Let em figure it out.. |
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| nebreitling |
Feb 6 2007, 10:28 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) seems pretty fucking retarded.
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| DanT |
Feb 6 2007, 10:32 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(nebreitling @ Feb 6 2007, 08:28 PM) cheating at the club-level (especially AX/TT) seems pretty fucking retarded. You would be really surprised Nathan... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) |
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| nebreitling |
Feb 6 2007, 10:47 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
really? wow, that surprises and disappoints me. -- there's NOTHING on the line. no $$$, no sponsorship, no career -- at best one would get some local attention.
hard to flat-out cheat in the kart world. won't make it past the scales, won't make it out of parc ferme. engines can be ripped open at whim. that's not to say that there aren't some gray areas that people are happy to exploit... |
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| DanT |
Feb 6 2007, 10:50 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
amazing what some folks will do and spend for a $10 trophy at the end of the season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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| Chris Hamilton |
Feb 6 2007, 11:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 |
We don't cheat, we just might have a few things not covered anywhere in the points system or rules...
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| DanT |
Feb 6 2007, 11:40 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Chris Hamilton @ Feb 6 2007, 09:36 PM) We don't cheat, we just might have a few things not covered anywhere in the points system or rules... that is certainly an interesting comment...if they are not covered by the rules how about just filling us all in? Maybe we can all learn something (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| nebreitling |
Feb 6 2007, 11:47 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
that makes sense to me. there are a lot of suspension tricks and weight removal issues that are not covered in the rules.
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| Chris Hamilton |
Feb 6 2007, 11:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 7-March 06 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 5,687 |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Feb 6 2007, 09:40 PM) QUOTE(Chris Hamilton @ Feb 6 2007, 09:36 PM) We don't cheat, we just might have a few things not covered anywhere in the points system or rules... that is certainly an interesting comment...if they are not covered by the rules how about just filling us all in? Maybe we can all learn something (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That would be breaking the NDA. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I'd just say our car is the result of an meticulous attention to detail. Many small things like chiseling out every single scrap of body sealant from the floors, doors, underside, engine bay, front trunk, probably a good few hundred hours of work lightening every scrap on the car, isn't something counted anywhere on a rules or points sheet. There are many other little goodies there, more than I can count which all add up to make it such a complete package. Anything that can be lowered in the car has been lowered, everything that can be moved towards the middle has been moved towards the middle, however we take nearly the same points as the 914 owner who took out his passengers seat and floor mats. Take Andy's car for example. Last I remember his street driven 914 had nearly the same number of points as us because when he took a couple pieces out of the interior that counted as "stripping the interior" or somesuch. That's the kind of thing I mean. |
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| DanT |
Feb 7 2007, 12:05 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
and that is exactly what is wrong with our current rules....
too many loop holes when it comes to lightening. Only 20 points to strip your interior.... no padding, no door panels, no back pad, no carpet...20 points to do what you folks did,,,,,20 points. there needs to be more granularity with respect removing weight, DOT R tires, and a few other items. 100WR RA1s should not get the same points as 710s. removing your windshield and or the entire windshield frame should be points....but it isn't right now. It helps when you (royal you) has a major part in writing the new rules....doesn't it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| grantsfo |
Feb 7 2007, 01:06 AM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
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