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> Doing a top end/upgrade. couple questions, heads, rings and deckheight extremes.
Aaron Cox
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motor ate a head gasket. pulled it apart before it could flame cut a cylinder or head.

so its apart. 71 x 94, with LARGE cam. has mahle euro '8:1 pistons" in it.
deck was setup at .031 but was running a head gasket.

heads have never been decked/surfaced. pulled em and cleaned em, 2 chambers have a sparkplug crack starting - so they need to be welded.

while its apart, i plan to re-ring it, hone the barrels, get the heads done, and???

questions - what rings do you recommend for mahle pistons?
certain rings justify certain hone finishes right?

heads need welding.
valves are sealing great to the seats. guides are good. (motor has 35 k on it since full rebuild.) when the head gets welded, will this require new seats/guides and a resurface?
what is the proper welding setup- my machinist may want to weld em cold, but i was told to pre heat em first - your thoughts?

when reassembling - how tight can i go on deckheight? the euro pistons have a .034" dish to em. should i trim the pistons .034 to make them flat, and trim the cylinders accordingly also?

trying to get as much CR with these 94mm pistons as i can, and running 91 gas.

last question- cam. how does the cam affect deck height? how tight can i go?

going to CC my heads tomorrow - before machining.... what is the range for a stock 2L head? 55-65cc's?

*on reassembly - head gasket will be omitted, and cylinders will be lapped into the head. valves will also be lapped into their seats again.
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Aaron Cox   Doing a top end/upgrade. couple questions   Mar 18 2007, 10:56 PM
Dave_Darling   Welding the heads is not a simple process; you do ...   Mar 18 2007, 11:27 PM
Aaron Cox   Welding the heads is not a simple process; you do...   Mar 18 2007, 11:37 PM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   If you weld you will need to redo the whole enchil...   Mar 18 2007, 11:45 PM
Brando   questions - what rings do you recommend for mahle...   Mar 18 2007, 11:50 PM
Aaron Cox   good info brandon, and as i was guessing.. dan - ...   Mar 18 2007, 11:55 PM
Brando   If you got it apart that far bro, find a 78.4mm cr...   Mar 19 2007, 12:01 AM
McMark   If you have a dish in your pistons your can go low...   Mar 19 2007, 01:09 AM
Twystd1   If you mill the top of the pistons, and cut the ba...   Mar 19 2007, 01:43 AM
Bleyseng   yep, buy the exhaust and rocker studs from Jake as...   Mar 19 2007, 08:43 AM
Aaron Cox   but any cam should clear a .030 deck right?   Mar 19 2007, 09:25 AM
Aaron Cox   dropped the heads off at the machinist to get... -...   Mar 19 2007, 05:07 PM
craig downs   Hey Clayton from the top of the piston down to the...   Mar 19 2007, 08:48 PM
Aaron Cox   hoping for around a 54cc head.....   Mar 19 2007, 08:55 PM
Matt Romanowski   As for clearance from valves to pistons, do what e...   Mar 19 2007, 09:11 PM
Aaron Cox   As for clearance from valves to pistons, do what ...   Mar 19 2007, 09:20 PM
Twystd1   I am just wondering if .269 is safe for the top ri...   Mar 19 2007, 09:24 PM
Aaron Cox   any comments on 'grant' rings?   Mar 19 2007, 09:26 PM
craig downs   His Mahles don't have gas ports   Mar 19 2007, 09:38 PM
Twystd1   Then he might not want to cut the pistons if he is...   Mar 19 2007, 10:27 PM
Twystd1   Jake says the original rings for Mahle's were ...   Mar 19 2007, 10:50 PM
Crazyhippy   Ahem... http://www.carma.com.sg/img/buyersguide/l...   Mar 19 2007, 10:59 PM
brer   I'll weld them for you Homeboy.   Mar 20 2007, 01:19 AM
McMark   I have a vague recollection that Grant rings are C...   Mar 20 2007, 03:07 PM
Twystd1   I agree with McMark. Same for Total Seal. Much li...   Mar 20 2007, 04:08 PM
Aaron Cox   or you could man up and talk to john :) he misses ...   Mar 20 2007, 06:58 PM
Matt Romanowski   You need to measure the gap in the ring groove wit...   Mar 20 2007, 07:25 PM


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