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> ok, it wont start everythings hooked up, advice...
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post Dec 4 2003, 11:44 AM
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ok, finished putting motor in last night and it turns over, but does not start...before I dropped the motor, every time I started it, there would be a clicking/buzzing/hum (lol) noise which I believe was the fuel pump. Now when key is in ignition I do not have that noise, fuel pump is hooked up, and the starter turns over the motor freely, but no go. I have a quarter tank of premium only week old. Do I need a full tank of petrol? Also I replaced the fuel line up to the firewall, would it not start because I didnt prime the line? Keep in mind I have pumped the gas a thousand times though. What gives, anyone?

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ps to the ps: my seat came in by fedex this morning!!! not gonna help me much if car wont start (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Dec 4 2003, 11:51 AM
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Ground wire to the tranny & body connected?
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post Dec 4 2003, 11:52 AM
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check that the fuel pump is working/has power.
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post Dec 4 2003, 12:46 PM
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well fuel pump is connected and the tranny ground is connected, I am going to go and buy a primer
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post Dec 4 2003, 01:44 PM
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Why ??

Tell us HOW the fuel pump is connected. How is it wired ..what kind of pump is it ?


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post Dec 4 2003, 06:00 PM
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If you have a stock FI pump on a 1.7 you should be able to hear it run for a bit after you turn the ignition on. If not, check the pump fuse (in the relay box) and connections on the pump. May need to pull the positive lead to the pump and connect a test lamp. Turn on the ignition and see if you have 12v.
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post Dec 4 2003, 06:04 PM
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is it a facet? that would make the clicking sound. how did you hook it up (as brad said)?
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post Dec 4 2003, 07:39 PM
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Is the pump mounted near the tank?
Or near the engine?

There are two things to remember when locating and mounting a Bendix/Faust fuel pump.

1. The pump is designed to "push" the fuel from the tank to the engine. Not "pull" from the tank to the engine. Locate the pump at the tank.

2. The pump is not self priming. It needs to be mounted low, so the static pressure of the fuel in the tank primes the pump.

I have first hand experance with both of these problems. I did item #1 above when I first converted to carbs. And item 2 when I installed my fuel cell.
Best way to learn is to do it wrong (twice).

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post Dec 4 2003, 07:41 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Honestly I am not sure how it is connected. It is a small box, no bigger than a rubix cube, it is brand new, previous owner put it on. Forgot the brand name but it says Electric Fuel Pump...lol. It has two connections, one grounded on the firewall, the other on the coil. I tried the water bottle idea of pumping the fuel into it, worked slightly one time, the others did not. I dont know what to do really....I really have gone beyond my mechanical reach of this car...I can work on it with the technical manual, installing and following the instructions, but I really dont have the experience with a running one to troubleshoot it. Anyone close by want to help me out...if you free? Acox? Bernbomb? Skline (maybe your a bit to far to bother you...lol). I am sure the problem is simple. I dont know....lol HELP!!!


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post Dec 4 2003, 07:45 PM
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Is the pump "plumbed" correctly?

There is an arrow on it or it should say "in" or "out" by the fittings.

Simple but could be the problem.

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Hang in there, buddy.
Come down off the bridge railing, DON"T JUMP!!

You get through it.

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post Dec 4 2003, 07:50 PM
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If its a small little cube, then that would be a facet. Since it isn't working when you turn the key, try wiring it directly to the battery temporarily to see if it is the pump. if it doesn't work when it's jumpered directly to the battery then your pump could be broken. Those pumps can break at any time and it's probably a coincidence that it broke the same time you pulled your engine. If it does work then you might want to check the wiring that it's connected to. Also check your grounds.
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post Dec 4 2003, 07:55 PM
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Where are you? My son might have some time tomorow fri. email me your ph # and I will call you back. I have appointments in the AM

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post Dec 5 2003, 01:30 AM
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Paul,

Tell me more about the FACET pumps. I have been installing them in the factory location using the factory wiring/fuse/relay to run them. The diaphram type suck fuel... the rotary type are the ones that push fuel.

I havent had any burnt engines with this setup.. what gives ?? What went wrong when you placed a Facet near the rear of the car ?? Is this ok in street cars ??


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post Dec 5 2003, 01:39 AM
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Brad, I think you're mounting the pumps low enough that it isn't much of a problem. The pumps have trouble with fuel pickup when they're battling gravity as they suck.

Mounting close to the tank helps too, but the essential requirement is that they are mounted low.
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post Dec 5 2003, 02:22 AM
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I gotcha. I was real worried for about 30 seconds. None of them have given me any problems in the past being mounted in that location.


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post Dec 5 2003, 05:58 AM
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Brad,
I agree that mouting low is the key. Both times that I had problems I had mounted mine higher than the mid point of the tank.

Low is good.

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post Dec 5 2003, 08:26 AM
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Your pump is hooked like the one I had on the big four, to the coil +12v connection for power. Handy if you have a kill switch as it kills everything. Check to see if the terminal at the pump spade connector has +12v and that the pump ground has bare metal under the connection. I painted the sheetmetal a couple of years ago and the pump would not ground through the paint! As noted try hooking it directly to +12v at a known good power source after disconnecting the fuel line at the carb to see what you get. Good luck
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Anyone close by want to help me out...if you free? Acox? Bernbomb? Skline (maybe your a bit to far to bother you...lol). I am sure the problem is simple. I dont know....lol HELP!!!


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still need help? i just got home. (fri night)
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post Dec 5 2003, 10:24 PM
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too late...are you free a couple hours maybe this weekend Aaron??? if you want, Bernbomb has offered to come by tomorrow afternoon possibly, still not sure though. You are welcome to lend a hand, you have a lot more experience than I do certainly...your choice.
Jared

PS:if I was of age I would insert something like a 6pack of bud is waiting, replace that with dr. pepper. lol

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