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| BahnBrenner914 |
  Jun 20 2007, 01:23 AM
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The girl is gone and all I have now is a beat-up teener  Group: Members Posts: 301 Joined: 22-May 04 From: Gig Harbor and University Place, WA :: School in Angola, IN :: girlfriend in Sarasota, FL Member No.: 2,094 Region Association: None  |
So I'm a mechanical engineering student and a big-time racing fan. And I've designed a formula one type car in CAD and I'm thinking about designing another car in CAD with a strong 914 base.
Here's a few things I'm thinking of: -914 suspension (or 911) geometry, wheelbase, track, etc -914 transaxle -probably not a type IV, something else that's more modern -Fiberglass monocoque or tube frame or combo -custom aero body (my big part cause I want to be an aerodynamicist) in the low-drag (and some downforce) style of the carrera GT, GT40, McLaren f1, etc Basically something I could build in several years with some research and design now while I'm in school. I want it light, relatively ( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) ) cheap, and of course aerodynamically superior (for mpg and speed). Like a 916 of modern times (at least the concept part) So what do you guys think? |
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| messix |
Jun 20 2007, 01:32 AM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
go light and slippery and you don't need big hp. unless you want it to get big into the triple digits in mph.
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| BahnBrenner914 |
Jun 20 2007, 01:36 AM
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The girl is gone and all I have now is a beat-up teener Group: Members Posts: 301 Joined: 22-May 04 From: Gig Harbor and University Place, WA :: School in Angola, IN :: girlfriend in Sarasota, FL Member No.: 2,094 Region Association: None |
True, I like the lotus elise and ariel atom concepts, really really light and 'low' hp and still super fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) . How much power can be had from a custom built Type IV? like a 2.0+ with lots o' goodies.
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| messix |
Jun 20 2007, 01:50 AM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(BahnBrenner914 @ Jun 20 2007, 12:36 AM)  True, I like the lotus elise and ariel atom concepts, really really light and 'low' hp and still super fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) . How much power can be had from a custom built Type IV? like a 2.0+ with lots o' goodies. now you're talkin $$$$. look up jake raby/ massive type four |
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| BahnBrenner914 |
Jun 20 2007, 01:54 AM
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The girl is gone and all I have now is a beat-up teener Group: Members Posts: 301 Joined: 22-May 04 From: Gig Harbor and University Place, WA :: School in Angola, IN :: girlfriend in Sarasota, FL Member No.: 2,094 Region Association: None |
well I'll go for a different engine for less money, cause it'll probably be the same or more power and reliability and not tons of money.
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| TonyAKAVW |
Jun 20 2007, 02:10 AM
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That's my ride. Group: Members Posts: 2,151 Joined: 17-January 03 From: Redondo Beach, CA Member No.: 166 Region Association: None |
400 HP from a Subaru WRX STi motor is doable, reliable, and weighs less than a type IV.
-Tony |
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| dlo914 |
Jun 20 2007, 02:12 AM
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Whatchu' lookin' at?!?! Group: Members Posts: 3,432 Joined: 6-September 04 From: San Gabriel, CA Member No.: 2,697 |
QUOTE(TonyAKAVW @ Jun 20 2007, 01:10 AM) 400 HP from a Subaru WRX STi motor is doable, reliable, and weighs less than a type IV. -Tony i agree! cant beat japanese reliability! and they're really affordable! |
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| BahnBrenner914 |
Jun 20 2007, 02:20 AM
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The girl is gone and all I have now is a beat-up teener Group: Members Posts: 301 Joined: 22-May 04 From: Gig Harbor and University Place, WA :: School in Angola, IN :: girlfriend in Sarasota, FL Member No.: 2,094 Region Association: None |
Yeah, a subie would be cool. But 400hp would melt the 914 transaxle no? I saw subaru was coming out with a new diesel boxer-4, how about a diesel supercar? like 150mph and 45 mpg?
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| Johny Blackstain |
Jun 20 2007, 05:47 AM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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QUOTE(BahnBrenner914 @ Jun 20 2007, 04:20 AM) Yeah, a subie would be cool. But 400hp would melt the 914 transaxle no? I saw subaru was coming out with a new diesel boxer-4, how about a diesel supercar? like 150mph and 45 mpg? Bolt it up to a 915 transaxle instead of a 901 & those 400 ponies will stay corralled. However, nothing & I mean nothing beats the sound of a flat six powered by tripple Webbers. I'm sure just about any 3.0, 3.2 or 3.6 could dust my ass, but I'll kill them in the sound competition (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) |
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| Hydra |
Jun 20 2007, 06:44 AM
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Quia nominor LEO Group: Members Posts: 162 Joined: 11-December 04 Member No.: 3,261 |
If the Subaru engine choice appeals to you. why not go all the way and use a subaru transaxle while you're at it. Subaru trannies are cheaper than a 901 and can withstand much more power, while still having a cable operated clutch... my 2 cents..
Good luck |
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| VaccaRabite |
Jun 20 2007, 08:13 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If youe goal is to design a lightweight mid engined car, it would probably be easier to use newer components then the 30 year old VW/Porsche parts off a 914.
Any Honda/Subi/VW engine is going to make more power cheaper. Better trannies are out then then the 901. 914 suspension is a 30 year old design (that happens to work very well, but look and see what is out there now). I would say to get your influence from the 914, but make it a more modern car. Zach |
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| URY914 |
Jun 20 2007, 08:36 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,662 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Jun 20 2007, 06:13 AM) If youe goal is to design a lightweight mid engined car, it would probably be easier to use newer components then the 30 year old VW/Porsche parts off a 914. Any Honda/Subi/VW engine is going to make more power cheaper. Better trannies are out then then the 901. 914 suspension is a 30 year old design (that happens to work very well, but look and see what is out there now). I would say to get your influence from the 914, but make it a more modern car. Zach (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) 100% |
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| woobn8r |
Jun 20 2007, 08:50 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 607 Joined: 7-January 07 From: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,435 Region Association: None |
You might want to study the 904 as a precursor to your putting "pen to paper" (or clicking your CAD mouse). It has the layout you're looking at, lightweight design and materials, aerodynamic (for it's age) not to mention it's timeless and classic good looks.
A modern 904 could ROCK! (the original sure does) Oh and I agree...Nothing sounds better than a flat six with carbinators.... But you may wsh to consider a Rotary out of an Rx8...compact, light, only 3 moving parts in the engine....and much more efficient than the older model rotaries. (Mazda won LeMans on fuel economy in 1991) |
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| mrdezyne |
Jun 20 2007, 09:25 AM
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Now on larger rolling jack stands! Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 31-July 05 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 4,510 |
I like the idea, go for it! But beware of linking it in any form to a 914 on this forum, the purist patrol will attack when you are at your weakest. They are like a heard of oompa-lumpas that come out and start whacking your knee caps with little ball peen hammers... annoying little pests... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
A substantial front suspension setup with coilovers might be a more modern spin-off, although for buget sake stick with what works and its hard to beat what Porsche used to set the standard years ago. I fully agree with a modern powerplant and transaxle as so many have suggested. Subaru is about as close as you can come to a modern Type IV and you get to keep that very desirable boxer growl. Find an Imprezza RS or WRX STI at your next local auto-x event (with BORLA exhaust is a bonus) and ask the guy if you can tag along with him for a run through the cones, you will be sold. As for a modern twist on design, I leave you with this lovely example to ponder. This is the only photo I have but it appears to be an amazing piece of workmanship, all metal fab (aluminum?) body with hints of 914 heratige, supposedly it is based on a 914 roller. Does anyone else have more info or photos? I LOVE THIS!!!! Attached image(s) 
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| Jake Raby |
Jun 20 2007, 09:25 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Add the radiator and kill the car. If you want a watercooled 914, just buy a Fiero.
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| 914nerd |
Jun 20 2007, 09:34 AM
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Who you callin' a "Member"? Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: 18-July 06 From: Los Alamos, NM Member No.: 6,461 |
You could also build a big horsepower turbo type IV
No radiator, plenty of potential for power, and you retain the original weight distribution That coupled with a light, well designed Fiberglass body would make a hell of a car |
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| sww914 |
Jun 20 2007, 10:18 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,439 Joined: 4-June 06 Member No.: 6,146 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(mrdezyne @ Jun 20 2007, 08:25 AM) I like the idea, go for it! But beware of linking it in any form to a 914 on this forum, the purist patrol will attack when you are at your weakest. They are like a heard of oompa-lumpas that come out and start whacking your knee caps with little ball peen hammers... annoying little pests... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) A substantial front suspension setup with coilovers might be a more modern spin-off, although for buget sake stick with what works and its hard to beat what Porsche used to set the standard years ago. I fully agree with a modern powerplant and transaxle as so many have suggested. Subaru is about as close as you can come to a modern Type IV and you get to keep that very desirable boxer growl. Find an Imprezza RS or WRX STI at your next local auto-x event (with BORLA exhaust is a bonus) and ask the guy if you can tag along with him for a run through the cones, you will be sold. As for a modern twist on design, I leave you with this lovely example to ponder. This is the only photo I have but it appears to be an amazing piece of workmanship, all metal fab (aluminum?) body with hints of 914 heratige, supposedly it is based on a 914 roller. Does anyone else have more info or photos? I LOVE THIS!!!! That's beautiful! |
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| marks914 |
Jun 20 2007, 10:32 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: 9-October 04 From: the motor city Member No.: 2,912 Region Association: None |
make it look something like this? modern 914
Mark Attached image(s) 
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| Johny Blackstain |
Jun 20 2007, 11:16 AM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(mrdezyne @ Jun 20 2007, 11:25 AM) beware of linking it in any form to a 914 on this forum, the purist patrol will attack when you are at your weakest. They are like a heard of oompa-lumpas that come out and start whacking your knee caps with little ball peen hammers... annoying little pests... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) Yes, & here's why: monocoque construction- called a 956 or 962. Tube frame- 550, 718RSK, 906, 907, 908, 909, 910, 917 & 936. Composite- 904. All these designs are mid engined Porsches, the 904 & 906 being the most street friendly. If you want to redesign the 914 then take a look at the neo 914 here on our board. Or explore the Boxster & the Cayman, the new 914s of today. Annoying little pest ain't I (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) |
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| RoninEclipse2G |
Jun 20 2007, 11:31 AM
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Suby Geek Group: Members Posts: 232 Joined: 28-April 07 From: Parker, Colorado Member No.: 7,701 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE(marks914 @ Jun 20 2007, 10:32 AM) make it look something like this? modern 914 Mark  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) pretty! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) |
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