Some roller cam detailed info (and new pics), I could not find the previous "roller" thread Options

[SirAndy]

I'll be the first to let you know when someone in a T4 passes me.

andrew blyholder runs a T4. and if memory serves me right, he has beaten your times more than once ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Andy

[grantsfo]

Thanks for the reality check Grant, there always has to be an asshole in the crowd and I'd expect nothing less from you.

Who needs the west coast? It could fall off the face of the eart tomorrow and most of the country wouldn't miss it too much.. remember- We are always 3 hours ahead of you guys and there is nothing you can do about it.

I'm sure your customers here appreciate your opinions on the West Coast. I could not care less as I wouldnt touch one your over priced RPG's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

This post has been edited by grantsfo: Jul 16 2007, 06:52 PM

[DanT]

I have a nicely built 2056 with the Raby 9550 cam running stock D-jet.
Motor is very nice and torquey, with a bit more redline RPMs.
Going to wring it out this Saturday at it's second AX.
Then in a couple of weeks we go to TH for a nice cool Time Trial.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Central Valley in August, should be a balmy 100* if we are lucky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Anyway, I will report back on my adventures.
As a daily driver this motor is very nice. Much broader torque curve than the stock 2.0L.

160HP 2056 might be a nice upgrade but I am also looking at a nice 2.2 or so 6.
But if the HP for the 2056 is dependable, it would probably have a much broader torque curve than a small bore 6, so it might be a viable upgrade for my next build.

[grantsfo]

I'll be the first to let you know when someone in a T4 passes me.

andrew blyholder runs a T4. and if memory serves me right, he has beaten your times more than once ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Andy

Andrew has never tracked the car and he runs big sticky race slicks in AX, I'd run against Andrew on the track any day - No chance he would catch my car in the open. Jake is a bunch of talk. I want to see a T4 go to the track that can pass a well developed six out on TH in the middle of the summer. It wont happen my freind.

..and Andrew and that big T4 didnt complete the Parade because why again? LOL!

[grantsfo]

I have a nicely built 2056 with the Raby 9550 cam running stock D-jet.
Motor is very nice and torquey, with a bit more redline RPMs.
Going to wring it out this Saturday at it's second AX.
Then in a couple of weeks we go to TH for a nice cool Time Trial.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Central Valley in August, should be a balmy 100* if we are lucky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Anyway, I will report back on my adventures.
As a daily driver this motor is very nice. Much broader torque curve than the stock 2.0L.

160HP 2056 might be a nice upgrade but I am also looking at a nice 2.2 or so 6.
But if the HP for the 2056 is dependable, it would probably have a much broader torque curve than a small bore 6, so it might be a viable upgrade for my next build.

A nice stockish 2056 is completely differnt story than fantasy land of Jake with these fictional 3.3 liter T4's. We all know stockish T4's can be made to last.

[Jake Raby]

I'm sure your customers here appreciate your opinions on the West Coast. :

No, remember they all think I suck already, so it doesn't really matter- right?

The only west coast issues we have ever had were related to those who don't follow directives or venture to do things we specifically tell them not to, of course...

At any rate, you are entitled to your opinion on what I am creating and I do appreciate the criticism believe it or not.

Find any truly developed parts being built from scratch like these for any engine and the price will be about the same. FYI- A 160HP 2056 with rollers and LE 200 heads could easily be built in kit form for 5K, thats not expensive at all for the amount of output and ease of assembly.

[DanT]

it all takes developement....Jake is willing to put in the time and money.

Randal's car should be very nice once he gets the motor into the chassis and works out the bugs....

If his car/motor combination is as good as it looks on paper then it might be very nice indeed.
And yes it will be interesting to see how it does with regard to longevity.

Our history around these parts with highly stressed T4s is less than stellar.

Bill Newlin used to build a new motor at least once a year...
Car was blazingly fast when it ran....

car ran a 1:40.8 at Laguna in '98.

[Jake Raby]

Randal's car will be fast and he is working the bugs out now.. BUT the technology he has is now two years old, his heads are not LE series heads.

The engine has already made 200HP, but has more left in it and we are working that out now.

[SirAndy]

I'd run against Andrew on the track any day

and your point is? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

so now your "challange" is reduced to a venue of your own choosing?
getting cold feet already? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy

[Bleyseng]

I'll be the first to let you know when someone in a T4 passes me.

andrew blyholder runs a T4. and if memory serves me right, he has beaten your times more than once ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Andy

Andrew has never tracked the car and he runs big sticky race slicks in AX, I'd run against Andrew on the track any day - No chance he would catch my car in the open. Jake is a bunch of talk. I want to see a T4 go to the track that can pass a well developed six out on TH in the middle of the summer. It wont happen my freind.

..and Andrew and that big T4 didnt complete the Parade because why again? LOL!

When did Jake just become a "bunch of talk"? He has sponsored several cars with engines and is building a car along with his parts/engine business.

soon a T4 will pass your ass! as someone will take on the challenge.

[Jake Raby]

Our car is built- we tested it at a circle track last thursday and put 100 flawless laps on it, not bad for a car that had never been driven before..

We'll continue working bugs out of it this season and getting used to working together and see what we can do next season in F production..

And a RAT engine finished on the podium this weekend at Watkins Glen in a national SCCA competition...

[grantsfo]

I'd run against Andrew on the track any day

and your point is? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

so now your "challange" is reduced to a venue of your own choosing?
getting cold feet already? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy

My point is that AX isnt a good test of power - Andrew could beat cars with 3 times as much power with his stockish T4. Hell I beat over half the Porsche AX field in my Toyota Echo. I'm no AX driver by any strech of the imagination. Jake biggest contention is these T4 motors are pushing more power. If his T4's are so awesome why not put them on even palying field where car capability trumps driver ability. In AX Race slicks are more important than power - think you learned this in your last AX with your huge 3.6 six.

[grantsfo]

When did Jake just become a "bunch of talk"? He has sponsored several cars with engines and is building a car along with his parts/engine business.

soon a T4 will pass your ass! as someone will take on the challenge.

I havent seen a single Raby sponsored car run long enough for me to worry. Bring it on. Until then the SIX is the track king in the West.

And which Raby rebuild are you on again? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This post has been edited by grantsfo: Jul 16 2007, 07:50 PM

[Jake Raby]

We are not shooting for just power, a HUGE reason I am doing the roller lifter and cam work is to reduce the engine's need for oils with large amounts of zinc..

The Porkies heads are being developed for large street engines and prostock VW drag race engines making around 300HP N/A from as little as 2.4L and 15:1 CR with .700 valve lift.

grant is right, AX is largely related to the entire vehicle's arrangement and set up...

Want some proof or longevity, below are some pics of rod bearings and main bearings that saw 6- 45 minute national races and one entire SCCA runoffs, that was 4 solid days of punishment. The engine revs consistently to 8,300 RPM (shift point) and has seen near 9K RPM with these bearings installed. These are Oem bearings that have been running against an Ion nitrided BONE STOCK (and lightened) crank and of course both these processes were "pipe dreams" about 5 years ago when we started developing them together....



This post has been edited by Jake Raby: Jul 16 2007, 07:55 PM

[grantsfo]

Randal's car will be fast and he is working the bugs out now.. BUT the technology he has is now two years old, his heads are not LE series heads.

The engine has already made 200HP, but has more left in it and we are working that out now.

Not holding my breath on Randals car. Its been over 3 years since you started to brag about that motor creaming all sixes in its path and I have followed all the issues they have run into. For Randal's sake I just hope you stand by your work.

[sww914]

Thanks for the reality check Grant, there always has to be an asshole in the crowd and I'd expect nothing less from you.

Who needs the west coast? It could fall off the face of the earth tomorrow and most of the country wouldn't miss it too much.. Remember- We are always 3 hours ahead of you guys and there is nothing you can do about it.

All we need here on the west coast is action rather than talk.

[Jake Raby]

And all I need is the right person and the right car with the right attitude... Randal is just one person and while he will be an excellent representative it'll take more than one engine to stop the naysayers.

Honestly, we really have nothing to prove, i have a diverse following that believes in the abilities and thoughts that we create here enough to give us a backlog and throw food on the table and allow us to race and have fun. We functioned well before we ever sold an engine to anyone on the west coast. Now a solid 65% of what we do goes overseas, so it really is a non issue, but it's always to have fun on both coasts.

I just talked to randal, I have decided to come support him on the west coast the first time he runs the car and I expect to see Grant there, so he can tell me how much my over priced RPGs suck to my face. Start planning now grant, excuses won't be entertained ;-)

[DanT]

I would be happy to use my car as a test mule for a roller 2056 here on the west coast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
No sense putting a nice motor into a rust bucket. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Joe Ricard]

Seems like Grant has forgotten to take his Meds today.
Mr. "I can write a check to have someone else buld my car"

[Jake Raby]

Dan,
I like your style and your attention to detail- we'll talk.... I am also talking to mc mark tonight and discussing some of these **things**...

I forgot my meds today too- but i did it on purpose :-)