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> AX racing on street tires - loud is good?, pushin the limits and lookin for more
Chris Pincetich
post Jul 18 2007, 06:44 PM
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I gotta stick to the tires I have now for 2007 due to AX class points and my budget.

I have 195/50 Dunlop 2000 Sport (I think) on 15x6" alloy rims. I got these because I was worried about fitment of 205s and never guessed I'd becaome an AX addict. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

These tires seem to get more slippery as they warm up. As a result, I end up fish taling a bit. I tend to 180 slide about once a day, and can keep the back end from swingin around 90% of the time. Some times I mash the brakes, turn in fast, get about 10-20 deg fish tail, and hook up heading right for the next apex. YEAH it feels great and I hear the tires squeel. Other times I have a smoother approach and lots of squeel all through the arc of the turn. Sometimes I'm smooth and don't hear the sqeel. With so many turns adding up to my time, it is tough to tell which approach is fastest. I don't feel like I kill any speed on my little slip slide and hook up and when I watch others it looks fast as long as the tail isn't swingin out wide.

My AX book (with the 911 on the cover) talks about the friction circle, and I think I need more info here. It says that pushing the limit up to the grip release is fastest, and then hints that sometimes going a little outside the cirlce is fastest. Losts of allusions to pushing the limits but no "one size fits all" explanation.

Is this loud sqeelin approach as good and fast as it feels, or am I just enjoying the ride and going slower than I could?
At what point in the friction circle are my street tires making the squeel noise?
Is the soft compounds in DOT-R and slicks too soft to resonante and make the squeel noise? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

I started dropping PSI this year - from 32-34 down to 24-26 PSI at the last race. Still well on the tread, not rollin over to the tread wear line. Is this extra side wall flex good? I think so!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

I know most of youz guyz had humble beginnins like me and my rustored 1.7 914 so enlighten me on the finer points of maxing out my street tires! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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ChrisNPDrider   AX racing on street tires - loud is good?   Jul 18 2007, 06:44 PM
Dave_Darling   My perspective, others may have different opinions...   Jul 18 2007, 08:49 PM
okieflyr   You are experiencing what most everybody goes thro...   Jul 18 2007, 08:51 PM
grantsfo   You need to buy 205/50/15 Falkens for the car. Re...   Jul 19 2007, 12:16 AM
Dan (Almaden Valley)   Falken Azenis Rt615 $76 per tire....for 205...   Jul 19 2007, 12:30 AM
Joe Ricard   Try somewhere near 38 PSI front and back. If one ...   Jul 19 2007, 06:15 AM
Krieger914   Chris, when are you measuring tire pressure? Are ...   Jul 19 2007, 08:30 AM
ChrisNPDrider   I usually measure the pressure at the start of the...   Jul 19 2007, 11:02 AM
jhadler   Where and when does a little fish tail/oversteer ...   Jul 19 2007, 02:18 PM
Joe Ricard   Ok I will only tell you this one more time. You n...   Jul 19 2007, 11:51 AM
grantsfo   Ok I will only tell you this one more time. You ...   Jul 19 2007, 12:44 PM
Joe Ricard   I run my 225/50-15 Kumho's on 8" rims at ...   Jul 19 2007, 02:54 PM
ChrisNPDrider   Slalom! I do recall riding with an instructor ...   Jul 19 2007, 05:17 PM
Krieger914   Chris FYI, I leave my house with 26 psi cold all a...   Jul 19 2007, 09:42 PM
nebreitling   chris, first off, you look really good out there. ...   Jul 20 2007, 10:07 PM
Joe Ricard   There is a guy near here selling a shifter for 350...   Jul 21 2007, 07:16 AM
ChrisNPDrider   Great weekend! I was at 32 PSI cold and liked ...   Jul 23 2007, 11:10 AM


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