Points and Dwell setting, Yes I forgot how...I know !!! YOU DUMBASS! Options

[914nerd]

Oh krusty one,
I may be out of line in asking this, but how many of the replies were actually incorrect?
People seem to have gotten away from the initial question a bit, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them. Read any post on here. People get away from the initial question (although much of the discussion here remained closely related)
As for the actual answer, people get around to it sooner or later (yes, sometimes it takes time to get one of the more experienced opinions).
But then again, if you weren't crusty, then you wouldn't be krusty.

[Cap'n Krusty]

OUCHIE (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Thank you skipper for the detailed reply. I think I can do it correctly now.
I'll get this squared away this evening and have a report on your desk by morning.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Ohhh, Suuuuuuure. You're gonna put it on my desk! Have you seen my desk? I haven't seen it in months, maybe years, mostly 'cause everybody puts everything on it. Or maybe where it might be, considering you can't see it ............. Think of it as being under the tallest part of the pile ....................

Or maybe you know all this, and hope your report will get lost ..... Yeah, that's it....

The Cap'n, bidding you good luck, and a good day

[Bartlett 914]

SEVENTEEN REPLIES AND NOT ONE CORRECT ANSWER! WTF is wrong with you guys? DID YOU NOT READ THE QUESTION?

The CORRECT way to hook up the dwell meter is the positive lead to the point side of the coil (terminal "1" or (-)), and the ground lead to a good engine ground.

This kinda crap goes into the archives, and some newbie spends a year of his life trying to get his car started, trying every wrong trail until he gets to my post, if he lives that long.

When you get the dwell set, shut it off check to see that the rotor is pretty much centered on the line for cylinder #1 when the engine is at TDC #1. Fix that if it's wrong, then start the car, warm it up, and set the timing at the RED, BLACK, or unpainted full advance mark on the fan, 2800 RPM.. BOTH HOSES OFF. The mark is one fan blade BEFORE the first wide fan support. It MAY not be marked on both sides of the fan, and you mAY have to lay over the trunk lid and get your head right down over the access hole to see the mark. Report back.

The rest of you hang your heads in shame.

If you had any questions about how I got to be Cap'n Krusty, read your 17 answers to the original question.

The Cap'n, goin' easy on you

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This usually is a nice fun place. Unfortunately there is always some ass that destroys it all!

[Twystd1]

Right on Crusty One........

Mark... To know the Crusty one is to love the Crusty one. We are a better team for his existence here.

Be nice.. or the Crusty One might not be there when you need him....

God I love this place....

Clayton
Twystd1
Aarons Mother
Narpist
ATFA Founder

[Steve Thacker]

OUCHIE (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Thank you skipper for the detailed reply. I think I can do it correctly now.
I'll get this squared away this evening and have a report on your desk by morning.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Ohhh, Suuuuuuure. You're gonna put it on my desk! Have you seen my desk? I haven't seen it in months, maybe years, mostly 'cause everybody puts everything on it. Or maybe where it might be, considering you can't see it ............. Think of it as being under the tallest part of the pile ....................

Or maybe you know all this, and hope your report will get lost ..... Yeah, that's it....

The Cap'n, bidding you good luck, and a good day

It'll be on the desk skipper I promise. I'll send up a flare on its location (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[Steve Thacker]

OK I finally got the sucker running right on points. WOOHOO

Would have posted earlier, however the Mrs gave me the evil eye and she wanted her landscaping completed . So I had to wait until last night to get back to the car.

The problem was a operator head space error:
Had dwell meter hooked up wrong. Dwell was off by a country mile. Once I got the dwell happy, the car will rev happily to the red line and beyond. Before it was like it was constipated.

Did ya see this Skipper? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[Cap'n Krusty]

Yup! Saw it. As always, I'm here to help, and I'm glad you got it handled. The Cap'n

BTW, the flare didn't even make a dent in the pile ............

[Steve Thacker]

Thank you to all who came up with ideas to get my mind churning and yes a big Thank You to the Skipper.

As always, willing to steer us wayward children back onto getting our cars running righteously YESS FRIEEENDS I"M HEEEEALED !

Praise the Skipper and pass the collection plate in his general direction. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[Junebug]

I know this is an old post, But I back Cap'n Krusty here. I can not begin to express the hours of youth lost and frustration that reaches Felony proportions when you click and click and read and click and click and read, then YES this is EXACTLY my problem! So you read through the myriad of those 17 plus replies only to hit the last page blue-balled, and no happy ending. I don't keep guns in the house for reasons like these. So you stand up push away from the modern Idiot Box and figure you'll go eat breakfast now, but when you step outside the sun has long gone, and the town is asleep and you just lost a day off looking at little cartoons and well lets just say if there was "Tantric web-surfing" you just did it, and well was it good for you? So next time you come with issues and looking for answers and get them, share it! Or like I do sometimes, If I find a spot on discussion that leaves me hanging, I'll note the URL and when I work it out will go back and post what fixed mine if the site allows. There is always someone that has the answer, when you get it be sure to recognize them for it so that others may drive.

[r_towle]

RIP cap,n , that was classic, right answer with attitude.

[porschetub]

RIP cap,n , that was classic, right answer with attitude.

yea great answers from him always entertaining,some people don't know to deal with old tech anymore so it becomes SO hard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .
But there is an answer in modern tech? its called pertronix,accuspark, hot spark and others ,really why anybody pisses around with points baffles me....truly.
I hear issues with the early systems but really no real foundation other than random comments,the newer units what ever brand sort that if it really happens? ,we are moving on so why not update a 40yr + old system?
Thing that makes me laugh is this new tech is so old its a joke,remember an older member on pelican saying he keeps a set of points in the glove box just in case,try changing back to points when its dark and raining in a 914,crazy really.
To me its the best 100+ dollars spent but don't expect magic if you have bad leads,cap,rotor and worn out plugs..it won't fix that.
Wow got that off my chest ready for a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[r_towle]

RIP cap,n , that was classic, right answer with attitude.

yea great answers from him always entertaining,some people don't know to deal with old tech anymore so it becomes SO hard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .
But there is an answer in modern tech? its called pertronix,accuspark, hot spark and others ,really why anybody pisses around with points baffles me....truly.
I hear issues with the early systems but really no real foundation other than random comments,the newer units what ever brand sort that if it really happens? ,we are moving on so why not update a 40yr + old system?
Thing that makes me laugh is this new tech is so old its a joke,remember an older member on pelican saying he keeps a set of points in the glove box just in case,try changing back to points when its dark and raining in a 914,crazy really.
To me its the best 100+ dollars spent but don't expect magic if you have bad leads,cap,rotor and worn out plugs..it won't fix that.
Wow got that off my chest ready for a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

Fully setup distributor in spares, takes ten minutes.

Honestly, I have never been left stranded by a set of points, at least never been tow truck stranded.

They can be set, in the dark, with a matchbook for a feeler gauge and it will get you home.

[ripper911]

Unless the plastic tab that rides the shaft breaks...

[RenoRoger]

Unless the plastic tab that rides the shaft breaks...

Yep, happened to me with my 912E on a lonely mountain road without cell phone service about 18 months ago. Bosch OEM points made in Brazil. Pertronix or points...always carry a spare.

[ctc911ctc]

Just read through this thread.

A few observations from a New member.

1. The marks on the fan wheel (impeller) are not on both sides of the fan. However, from the various pictures I have seen, can near always be found on the REAR of the fan (the side of the fan facing the rear of the car) or the hardest place to see. Even though there are notches on BOTH sides of the fan housing just to make certain to confuse us......????

2. The theory with Dwell.
Getting to the proper dwell angle is a two-stage process. 1) set the angle first with a feeler gauge - this is a coarse scale. 2) Next, fine-tune the same adjustment using a dwell meter as a vernier scale

The above points (not a pun) were not obvious reading any of the literature on this site and others - thought it might assist to add these observations.

Last, learned a great deal from this thread.

Thanks!

[worn]

Just read through this thread.

A few observations from a New member.

1. The marks on the fan wheel (impeller) are not on both sides of the fan. However, from the various pictures I have seen, can near always be found on the REAR of the fan (the side of the fan facing the rear of the car) or the hardest place to see. Even though there are notches on BOTH sides of the fan housing just to make certain to confuse us......????

2. The theory with Dwell.
Getting to the proper dwell angle is a two-stage process. 1) set the angle first with a feeler gauge - this is a coarse scale. 2) Next, fine-tune the same adjustment using a dwell meter as a vernier scale

The above points (not a pun) were not obvious reading any of the literature on this site and others - thought it might assist to add these observations.

Last, learned a great deal from this thread.

Thanks!

And I among many miss the Cap’n.

[shane]

SEVENTEEN REPLIES AND NOT ONE CORRECT ANSWER! WTF is wrong with you guys? DID YOU NOT READ THE QUESTION?

The CORRECT way to hook up the dwell meter is the positive lead to the point side of the coil (terminal "1" or (-)), and the ground lead to a good engine ground.

This kinda crap goes into the archives, and some newbie spends a year of his life trying to get his car started, trying every wrong trail until he gets to my post, if he lives that long.

When you get the dwell set, shut it off check to see that the rotor is pretty much centered on the line for cylinder #1 when the engine is at TDC #1. Fix that if it's wrong, then start the car, warm it up, and set the timing at the RED, BLACK, or unpainted full advance mark on the fan, 2800 RPM.. BOTH HOSES OFF. The mark is one fan blade BEFORE the first wide fan support. It MAY not be marked on both sides of the fan, and you mAY have to lay over the trunk lid and get your head right down over the access hole to see the mark. Report back.

The rest of you hang your heads in shame.

If you had any questions about how I got to be Cap'n Krusty, read your 17 answers to the original question.

The Cap'n, goin' easy on you

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) CLASSIC

[shane]

SEVENTEEN REPLIES AND NOT ONE CORRECT ANSWER! WTF is wrong with you guys? DID YOU NOT READ THE QUESTION?

The CORRECT way to hook up the dwell meter is the positive lead to the point side of the coil (terminal "1" or (-)), and the ground lead to a good engine ground.

This kinda crap goes into the archives, and some newbie spends a year of his life trying to get his car started, trying every wrong trail until he gets to my post, if he lives that long.

When you get the dwell set, shut it off check to see that the rotor is pretty much centered on the line for cylinder #1 when the engine is at TDC #1. Fix that if it's wrong, then start the car, warm it up, and set the timing at the RED, BLACK, or unpainted full advance mark on the fan, 2800 RPM.. BOTH HOSES OFF. The mark is one fan blade BEFORE the first wide fan support. It MAY not be marked on both sides of the fan, and you mAY have to lay over the trunk lid and get your head right down over the access hole to see the mark. Report back.

The rest of you hang your heads in shame.

If you had any questions about how I got to be Cap'n Krusty, read your 17 answers to the original question.

The Cap'n, goin' easy on you

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) CLASSIC

[ctc911ctc]

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Looking at dwell again to fix my idle challenge

Found this gem

Also was surprised to see I have been here before (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[rfinegan]

I can still hear my old high school auto shop teacher in the back of my head:
1) Dwell effects Timing
2) Timing does not effect Dwell