Throttle Body Seals, 2.0 versus 1.7 & 1.8 Options

[Pat Garvey]

Can a 2.0 TB seal be made to fit an earlier motor, with trimming?

Anyone have dimensional info on both?

Can one be made for a 1.7 or 1.8?

My search came up with lots of amiguous info.
Pat

[Cap'n Krusty]

Can a 2.0 TB seal be made to fit an earlier motor, with trimming?

Anyone have dimensional info on both?

Can one be made for a 1.7 or 1.8?

My search came up with lots of amiguous info.
Pat

Here we go again. There's a current thread involving this very thing, as well as AA, and I recall the subject coming up a number of times in the past. THIS ANSWER IS NOT AMBIGUOUS. No, the 2 litre gasket cannot be made to work on a 1.7/1.8 plenum and throttle body, unless you're adept at turning a flat paper gasket into a ribbed rubber cone. In fact, the 1.7 gasket is different from the 1.8, but a clever person might be able to make a 1.8 gasket work on a 1.7 by cutting it down and gluing it back together.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Yes and Auto Atlanta "SUCKS" (but we still have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets in stock, and cut the cardboard 2.0 variety.) And yes I am first and foremost the chief 914 enthusiast!

[orthobiz]

Look, I saw Apollo 13 and I bet you can make any gasket fit anything. Especially if your reentry into Earth is at stake.

Paul

[orthobiz]

But to amplify what Cap'n said (in a somewhat frustrated tone), I think the answers to some of the repeated questions could be placed in the 914 Info section. Or nailed somewhere for everyone.

Like, the spacing on the PORSCHE letters on the engine grille. OR
Which Optima battery to order with the appropriate clamp. OR
the unambiguous answer to Pat's question (that's currently debated in another thread). OR
torque specs including wheel bolts, etc.

I have learned from Gint's posts how to better use the search function. How about a nailed post with more detail about the search function, like when to use the "+" symbol and when to use the "*" Maybe the answer to Pat's question would have jumped out at him and stopped him from posting (hmmmmm, I doubt it but maybe).

I don't have the information to write up most of these answers as I'm still a 914 novice (even though I now own my fourth car!). But, if you checked out a site such as fmtunerinfo.com, you'll see a splash page with all sorts of common FAQ info.

Maybe even a list of common repair places (I know Brad Mayeur spends more time fixing our cars than he does posting!). How about a nailed wheel post: there are at least four good places to get your wheels redone, some are members here! Throw in a caveat that it's not the "only place to get work done, and we don't guarantee the work, yaddayaddayadda" but I think it would be useful. And may cut down on the repeated questions.

Hey, remember this is the best site on the web! I PM'ed the Cap'n a while back and he was willing to check out a car for me and he doesn't even KNOW me!

Anyway, sorry if I went on and on off topic. Love you guys (even Pat!).

Paul

[Pat Garvey]

But to amplify what Cap'n said (in a somewhat frustrated tone), I think the answers to some of the repeated questions could be placed in the 914 Info section. Or nailed somewhere for everyone.

Like, the spacing on the PORSCHE letters on the engine grille. OR
Which Optima battery to order with the appropriate clamp. OR
the unambiguous answer to Pat's question (that's currently debated in another thread). OR
torque specs including wheel bolts, etc.

I have learned from Gint's posts how to better use the search function. How about a nailed post with more detail about the search function, like when to use the "+" symbol and when to use the "*" Maybe the answer to Pat's question would have jumped out at him and stopped him from posting (hmmmmm, I doubt it but maybe).

I don't have the information to write up most of these answers as I'm still a 914 novice (even though I now own my fourth car!). But, if you checked out a site such as fmtunerinfo.com, you'll see a splash page with all sorts of common FAQ info.

Maybe even a list of common repair places (I know Brad Mayeur spends more time fixing our cars than he does posting!). How about a nailed wheel post: there are at least four good places to get your wheels redone, some are members here! Throw in a caveat that it's not the "only place to get work done, and we don't guarantee the work, yaddayaddayadda" but I think it would be useful. And may cut down on the repeated questions.

Hey, remember this is the best site on the web! I PM'ed the Cap'n a while back and he was willing to check out a car for me and he doesn't even KNOW me!

Anyway, sorry if I went on and on off topic. Love you guys (even Pat!).

Paul

Gee Biz, I'm overwhelmed!

When I did my search on "my topic" I found16 pages of nebulous inferrences to the search topic. I, like many others, have limited tome available to get my questions answered by the pros. After only 2 pages of searching & reading I kept getting further from MY question. Though I was fairly certain of the answer, I just wanted confirmation. Apparently, a 2.0 TB seal is worthless to a 1.7 guy.

Look, I did my search. I did not come up with any answers, just people P&M'ing that I had asked a question that had been asked before.

I've been here a short time (year & a half), but think about the newbies who just got here - they don't know who's asked what! Please have some consideration for those who spend most of the time in other forums!

Paul, this is NOT directed at you - you just provided the platform.

Thanks all, I'll try not to interrupt anymore.
Pat

[Cap'n Krusty]

Yes and Auto Atlanta "SUCKS" (but we still have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets in stock, and cut the cardboard 2.0 variety.) And yes I am first and foremost the chief 914 enthusiast!

IF you have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets "in stock", there is no earthly reason for the other thread to have have gotten started. You can't have it both ways, George. You either have them or you don't. If the guy in the other thread was told you had them, and then discouraged from buying one, why was he told you don't have them when he called back and tried to order one, and we're now being told you do have them? Make up your mind, and (if you indeed have them) make the original poster of the other thread happy by sending him one! If under 20 bucks will break you, you're living in a delusion. Think about it.

I'm sorry, but this whole scenario has been repeated so many times here, on the club, on NARP, and on Rennlist (as well as on Porschelist before that) that most of us are pretty damn tired of it. I'm here for fun, and am pretty enthusiastic about helping people here, on the Club, on Rennlist, and on the NARP site. I lack a certain measure of patience for people who don't think things out, I'm a bit brusque with those who, for whatever reason, don't want to hear the truth, and I am proud of the overall accuracy of my advice. If I'm in error on a technical matter, I immediately defer to more accurate knowledge. And I RARELY, IF EVER, try to sell my products openly on any of the lists. An occasional PM, but it's been years since I made even a small mass offer.

The Cap'n

[Pat Garvey]

Yes and Auto Atlanta "SUCKS" (but we still have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets in stock, and cut the cardboard 2.0 variety.) And yes I am first and foremost the chief 914 enthusiast!

IF you have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets "in stock", there is no earthly reason for the other thread to have have gotten started. You can't have it both ways, George. You either have them or you don't. If the guy in the other thread was told you had them, and then discouraged from buying one, why was he told you don't have them when he called back and tried to order one, and we're now being told you do have them? Make up your mind, and (if you indeed have them) make the original poster of the other thread happy by sending him one! If under 20 bucks will break you, you're living in a delusion. Think about it.

I'm sorry, but this whole scenario has been repeated so many times here, on the club, on NARP, and on Rennlist (as well as on Porschelist before that) that most of us are pretty damn tired of it. I'm here for fun, and am pretty enthusiastic about helping people here, on the Club, on Rennlist, and on the NARP site. I lack a certain measure of patience for people who don't think things out, I'm a bit brusque with those who, for whatever reason, don't want to hear the truth, and I am proud of the overall accuracy of my advice. If I'm in error on a technical matter, I immediately defer to more accurate knowledge. And I RARELY, IF EVER, try to sell my products openly on any of the lists. An occasional PM, but it's been years since I made even a small mass offer.

The Cap'n

STOP!!!!!!

Look, I asked a simple question. Couldn't find the response I needed by searching old threads - so I F_ucking asked again!

I'f you're tired of responding - DON'T! You aren't the only person in the Garage.

Seems like every time I ask a question of this forum, I get grief. Jeezus - give me a break!

And, don't hijack my thread, because that REALLY pisses me off!

Have things to say to George - air them elsewhere, not on my thread! In fact, call George with your bitches - 404-308-5652.

I asked a simple question & you're bitches have nothing to do with it. I don't care where you had to deal with it - don't care which website. I asked a simple question of the 914world Garage & have have treated like dirt because of it.

AND - my original question remains unanswered.

Sorry if I sound pissed off. Maybe because I AM!
Pat

[markb]

Can a 2.0 TB seal be made to fit an earlier motor, with trimming?

Anyone have dimensional info on both?

Can one be made for a 1.7 or 1.8?

My search came up with lots of amiguous info.
Pat

Ok, here's your answers:

NO!

Simple enough?

I can't think where you would be able to find the dimensions, maybe someone who has one could measure & post the info.

[G e o r g e]

AND - my original question remains unanswered.

No, the 2 litre gasket cannot be made to work on a 1.7/1.8 plenum and throttle body, unless you're adept at turning a flat paper gasket into a ribbed rubber cone.

The Cap'n

I believe it was (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

[Brando]

Search around, you can find a vendor that has the gasket in question. I also believe there was a member making them...

Yes and Auto Atlanta "SUCKS" (but we still have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets in stock, and cut the cardboard 2.0 variety.) And yes I am first and foremost the chief 914 enthusiast!*

* = self-appointed.

[Pat Garvey]

Search around, you can find a vendor that has the gasket in question. I also believe there was a member making them...

Yes and Auto Atlanta "SUCKS" (but we still have the 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets in stock, and cut the cardboard 2.0 variety.) And yes I am first and foremost the chief 914 enthusiast!*

* = self-appointed.

Yep, that was Tod914 - make them for a 2.0.

Hence my question.

But thanks for a direct response! All I was asking for!

[Cap'n Krusty]

"AND - my original question remains unanswered."

Not answered? See the FIRST reply. Mine.

I'll recap it for you:

"Here we go again. There's a current thread involving this very thing, as well as AA, and I recall the subject coming up a number of times in the past. THIS ANSWER IS NOT AMBIGUOUS. No, the 2 litre gasket cannot be made to work on a 1.7/1.8 plenum and throttle body, unless you're adept at turning a flat paper gasket into a ribbed rubber cone. In fact, the 1.7 gasket is different from the 1.8, but a clever person might be able to make a 1.8 gasket work on a 1.7 by cutting it down and gluing it back together."

I didn't hijack the thread, and I gave you THE RIGHT ANSWER, on the FIRST RESPONSE. You're welcome. The Cap'n

[Pat Garvey]

AND - my original question remains unanswered.

No, the 2 litre gasket cannot be made to work on a 1.7/1.8 plenum and throttle body, unless you're adept at turning a flat paper gasket into a ribbed rubber cone.

The Cap'n

I believe it was (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

All I asked was whether it could be done. Thanks for the responses! Though I didn't expect to get in the middle of a Krusty-AA war!

[SirAndy]

jeeze guys. relax. get some viagra and report back tomorrow ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Andy

[Pat Garvey]

jeeze guys. relax. get some viagra and report back tomorrow ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Andy

Seems to me that Viagra is not needed. Someone already has a h__d-on - for AA!

Just get me out of the middle of it.

I'll think twice before I ask any further questions in this forum.
Pat

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

wow. Since the 2.0 throttle body is mounted on the top of its own unique plentium, and has a flat base, the gasket is different than both the 1.8 and 1.7 variety that wear a side mounted throttle body with an oval attachment. The 2.0 gasket was actually made from thicker cardboard (for lack of a better word for it) material and the throttle body attached with two 8mm bolts. The 1.7, 1.8 used a cone shaped round rubber gasket that more acted like a large o ring cinching the throttle body to the plentium with two tension bolts. The 1.7 and 1.8 gaskets were so similar that either can be interchanged with great success. The 2.0 cardboard gasket is its own unique "animal" and as the factory has discontinued the part, must be made from gasket material.

[Slider]

I was wondering the same thing and after i read this post and Pat's simple question and how he got snapped at i wasnt gonna ask what made them different

But thanks to the Dr for explaining what the differences were

[Pat Garvey]

Thanks to all the responses - gained some good information from all sides.

Now.....They major players in these reponses are both "revered" by me. Both sources of invaluable info.

So, get over it! Stop the infighting! We need both of you, regardless of your differences. OK?

This non-club needs professional information from all sources. And, the last thing it needs is bickering. Hell, you don't hear me bickering with the Subie or Chevy guys. We all have our thing, and are entitled to it. May not agree with it, but you don't have to dump on the other guy.

Nuff said. Rant over. Thanks to everyone who supplied answers to my question - and the question was answered. Jeez!
Pat