 1973 Irish Green 2.0... Edit: "The Outed" Green Teen..., Anyone in NC have a chance to check this one out? |
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| 73Phoenix20 |
 Aug 22 2007, 04:52 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 334 Joined: 15-June 05 From: Michiana Member No.: 4,283  |
Road Scholars has this 73 2.0 up for sale on their site...
http://www.theaircooledguys.com/Inventory/...61/Default.aspx Supposedly only 3,700 original miles... And who can spot the first three "Idiosyncrasies" of this supposedly "New" 2.0??? There are probably more, but I stopped counting after three very obvious ones... So, if you have seen this one in person, tell us what you think... "Fake or Real Deal"??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| Ferg |
Aug 22 2007, 05:04 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None 
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I think that's Zambezi green, Irish ended in 72 IIRC
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) on the car either way. If you do go see, I'd love to hear about it. Ferg |
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| swl |
Aug 22 2007, 05:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
holy shit. I don't think I've ever seen anything that clean!
Nobody could do a restoration like that to fake it. Well - not without doing things like replacing the wiring harness, re-plating everything ... Call me gullable but I would say that's the real deal. If it isn't then I don't want to know! I didn't see a price. 'If you have to ask you can't afford it!' As to the trivia game ... I've only seen 1.7s so I'm at a disadvantage. The only 3 things that I think are odd are: extra power pickup from the battery for something non-stock. Speakers are bodged in - looks exactly the way I did it back in the day right down to the tape. I've never seen a white gas lid. |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 22 2007, 05:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,850 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
Sorry to say that that is our old 1974 914 1.8 that we totally made like new with all new parts able to be ordered from Porsche back then. We started with a pristine 68,000 mile mostly original paint car (except for the hood and cowl) installed by old girlfriend Mary's great running 2.0 engine after painting the sheetmetal and cleaning it up, and then added all of the 2.0 "goodies" including five brand new fuchs alloys and new chrome bumpers, AND new instruments including new speedo at zero miles (that is where they get the 3000 miles was driven little after we did our job on it!) Anyone who knows 914s can see that this is far from being an original car and the dead giveaway is the stud in the right front of the rear trunk to hold the charcoal cannister!!!!!! We entered this car in many concours competitions and always won, but NEVER represented the car as an original 2.0! We sold this car finally about five? years ago and have not seen it since. So here it is again. CERTAINLY not three thousand miles!
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| swl |
Aug 22 2007, 05:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
I said I didn't want to know!
oh - add to the trivia - bosch blue coil |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 22 2007, 05:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,850 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
and no we did not butch in the speakers but did install the bosch blue and actually had a monterey cassette in the dash that was later taken out! Look closely at the sticker above the relay board and one can see that it is a 1.8 originally installed engine. anyway how much did they want for it????
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| Ferg |
Aug 22 2007, 05:37 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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I called, no call back yet...
Ferg |
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| swl |
Aug 22 2007, 05:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
Well - like cubic zirconia - it is a beautiful fake. Nice work George.
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| orthobiz |
Aug 22 2007, 05:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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It's outrageous that this car is misrepresented with respect to mileage and originality. With this forum as active as it is, seller beware! The 914world gonna ferret you out and make you tell the truth!
Paul |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 22 2007, 05:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,850 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(swl @ Aug 22 2007, 04:41 PM)  Well - like cubic zirconia - it is a beautiful fake. Nice work George. THANK YOU! Bill Blymiller purchased that car new here at taurus porsche audi. It sat on our lot for almost a year back in the late eighties, a totally stripped zambezi green 1.8 with black bumpers and tan interior, NO one wanted it for 4500.00 because of the color (imagine that back then!!!!) Anyway we took it under our wing and decided to see if we could buy EVERYTHING new to make it into a highly optioned 914 2.0, just to see what someone would have to spend to make a concours winner. We were even able to buy an complete new interior and every piece of carpet! (granted the car back then was nice with only 68 thou but we wanted to make it extraordinary) |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 22 2007, 05:54 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,850 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(orthobiz @ Aug 22 2007, 04:46 PM) It's outrageous that this car is misrepresented with respect to mileage and originality. With this forum as active as it is, seller beware! The 914world gonna ferret you out and make you tell the truth! Paul Paul really, any of us old 914 guys can spot that car as a total fake. Granted (if I do say so myself) nice but in no way original. It is really stupid for a company to actually THINK that that car has only 3500 miles as well. They HAVE to know better or it blows their whole representation of ANY Porsche they have for sale at their facility. |
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| orthobiz |
Aug 22 2007, 06:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Aug 22 2007, 07:54 PM) QUOTE(orthobiz @ Aug 22 2007, 04:46 PM) It's outrageous that this car is misrepresented with respect to mileage and originality. With this forum as active as it is, seller beware! The 914world gonna ferret you out and make you tell the truth! Paul Paul really, any of us old 914 guys can spot that car as a total fake. Granted (if I do say so myself) nice but in no way original. It is really stupid for a company to actually THINK that that car has only 3500 miles as well. They HAVE to know better or it blows their whole representation of ANY Porsche they have for sale at their facility. So George, you gonna tell them? Paul |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 22 2007, 06:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,850 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
We COULD play "name that flaw" in this 3500 mile 7.....3? 914!!!!!!
QUOTE(orthobiz @ Aug 22 2007, 05:03 PM) QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Aug 22 2007, 07:54 PM) QUOTE(orthobiz @ Aug 22 2007, 04:46 PM) It's outrageous that this car is misrepresented with respect to mileage and originality. With this forum as active as it is, seller beware! The 914world gonna ferret you out and make you tell the truth! Paul Paul really, any of us old 914 guys can spot that car as a total fake. Granted (if I do say so myself) nice but in no way original. It is really stupid for a company to actually THINK that that car has only 3500 miles as well. They HAVE to know better or it blows their whole representation of ANY Porsche they have for sale at their facility. So George, you gonna tell them? Paul |
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| swl |
Aug 22 2007, 06:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Aug 22 2007, 03:54 PM) Paul really, any of us old 914 guys can spot that car as a total fake. Gotta disagree with you there George. I doubt that there are more than a handful of people that have seen enough different 914's to spot one bolt that gives it away as an engine transplant. The only visual clue that I know of between a 73 and a 74 is the bumpers and with the replacement we couldn't pick up on that either. What's up with that 'VIN' - is that a chassis number. edit: I was going to suggest that event the dealer could have been fooled by this car but I guess if he looked at the vin or the title he would know. Might not be able to spot the engine swap though. |
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| levonfarra |
Aug 22 2007, 07:04 PM
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73 had metal sills. 74 had black plastic.
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| swl |
Aug 22 2007, 07:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(levonfarra @ Aug 22 2007, 05:04 PM) 73 had metal sills. 74 had black plastic. well done sir! I had thought the black plastic ones were all replacements. |
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| jaminM3 |
Aug 22 2007, 07:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: 23-March 07 From: SLC, UT Member No.: 7,619 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
They have a lot of pictures and the stamped VIN on the fender has 47429... They have to know that this isn't right. They put the chassis number as the VIN and even that they put a 1 instead of a 0. They have a picture of that stamping too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/busted_cop.gif)
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| 914rrr |
Aug 22 2007, 08:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,830 Joined: 1-July 03 From: Knoxville, TN Member No.: 874 Region Association: South East States |
Ok, I have a plan.
I buy the car, have the FBI procecute them for internet fraud (free of charge, of course), they lose, pay me back the purchase price AND I get to keep it!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) Seriously, though, why would they represent a car as a low mileage original with sooooo many things wrong, incorrect , etc. with it? Were the fan shroud and brain box painted? They could have at least bought/faked the proper colored vaccum hoses! |
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| swl |
Aug 23 2007, 06:23 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 7-August 05 From: Kingston,On,Canada Member No.: 4,550 Region Association: Canada |
Like the politicians say - 'Plausible deniability'. This is a reseller. He didn't do the work and can say that he too was hoodwinked.
I agree that every thing in the engine bay looks brand new - how did you do that George? I've realized (as I was sandblasting my tin) that you can tell tin that has been tarted up. The original tin has white stencilled lettering in a couple of places. There is also an aluminized label that gives the timing details. Photos don't show those areas but in person you could tell. I think there is also some stenciling on the fan shroud too isn't there? |
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| pfierb |
Aug 23 2007, 06:45 AM
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QUOTE(Ferg @ Aug 22 2007, 07:04 PM) I think that's Zambezi green, Irish ended in 72 IIRC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif) on the car either way. If you do go see, I'd love to hear about it. Ferg That isn't Zambezi green much to bright...My 73 is Zambezi green and it is a much darker shade of green. |
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