Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> Bringing out the dead
Jeff Hail
post Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
Post #1


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,141
Joined: 3-May 07
From: LA/ CA
Member No.: 7,712



Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.

My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job)

I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's.

I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite!

Good advice to follow:
Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level.

Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin.

My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions.
90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect.

I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one.

My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience.

If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding.

3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep!

Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California.


Attached image(s)
Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
Jeff Hail   Bringing out the dead   Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Finished welds at the inner long to rear long join...   Mar 8 2008, 07:38 PM
Wes V   Jeff; This might be jumping ahead, but I've g...   Mar 8 2008, 08:33 PM
Jeff Hail   Jeff; This might be jumping ahead, but I've ...   Mar 8 2008, 09:15 PM
Jeff Hail   Here's a couple pics that better show the rear...   Mar 8 2008, 09:25 PM
Wes V   Thanks! That's pretty much what I thought...   Mar 8 2008, 10:54 PM
Jeff Hail   Thanks! That's pretty much what I though...   Mar 8 2008, 11:26 PM
Jeff Hail   Finished grinding the welds on the inside of the w...   Mar 9 2008, 07:58 PM
Gint   Is it perfect? No there is a thin weld bead where ...   Mar 17 2008, 05:55 AM
Jeff Hail   Sean, This is what you are looking for...............   Mar 16 2008, 09:41 PM
sean_v8_914   thanks Jeff. I made some door gap bars with turn b...   Mar 17 2008, 02:38 PM
sean_v8_914   HOLY COW!!! it measured correctly 1st ...   Mar 17 2008, 02:40 PM
Jeff Hail   HOLY COW!!! it measured correctly 1st...   Mar 17 2008, 06:17 PM
brer   I've learned alot from this thread. Unfortunea...   Mar 17 2008, 03:03 PM
sean_v8_914   thanks for the warning. I'll go left, right, f...   Mar 17 2008, 11:48 PM
Jeff Hail   Little things take time! Actually about 15 min...   Mar 20 2008, 09:08 PM
Jeff Hail   Media blasted the air tubes. Welded the brackets I...   Mar 22 2008, 07:36 PM
Jeff Hail   Repaired the rust in the passenger side lock pilla...   Mar 22 2008, 07:41 PM
Jeff Hail   After welding and then slowly grinding the two are...   Mar 22 2008, 07:47 PM
Jeff Hail   Some epoxy primer after shaping. Oops closed the ...   Mar 22 2008, 07:49 PM
sean_v8_914   Jeff, what do you recommend to clean this up. that...   Mar 23 2008, 10:25 AM
sean_v8_914   I was also thinking about fastening the battery tr...   Mar 23 2008, 10:27 AM
Jeff Hail   Get in there with a course wire wheel to remove an...   Mar 23 2008, 01:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Installed the rt quarter panel that I had to cut o...   Mar 23 2008, 07:01 PM
Jeff Hail   When butt-welding along with good weld penetration...   Mar 23 2008, 07:07 PM
Jeff Hail   At the end I then use a different type of flap dis...   Mar 23 2008, 07:14 PM
sean_v8_914   could you send me a close up of your butt weld? .....   Mar 23 2008, 09:08 PM
Jeff Hail   could you send me a close up of your butt weld? ....   Mar 24 2008, 08:15 PM
type11969   Jeff- I think you should take an extended va...   Mar 24 2008, 05:39 AM
Wes V   Dang Jeff, I'm confused about the sequence on ...   Mar 24 2008, 08:43 AM
Jeff Hail   I started blocking the primer today and ran into 2...   Mar 24 2008, 09:04 PM
Jeff Hail   As close up as I can get of the butt weld line ble...   Mar 24 2008, 09:11 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   The title of this thread should read...... Carroz...   Mar 24 2008, 09:22 PM
Jeff Hail   Few days off from "work"........time for...   Apr 10 2008, 09:22 PM
Jeff Hail   Mocked up the firewall and lower reinforcements ag...   Apr 10 2008, 09:31 PM
Jeff Hail   Cut and trimmed the new outer rocker panel to fit ...   Apr 10 2008, 09:49 PM
craig downs   Its just incredible what you have done to save thi...   Apr 11 2008, 12:29 AM
Jeff Hail   Its just incredible what you have done to save th...   Apr 11 2008, 01:57 AM
KELTY360   Its just incredible what you have done to save th...   Apr 11 2008, 10:30 AM
tdgray   Great Job Jeff.... keep it up.   Apr 11 2008, 08:39 AM
Jeff Hail   Great Job Jeff.... keep it up. Todd, You made m...   Apr 11 2008, 09:07 PM
Jeff Hail   Welded up the right rocker. I plug welded the top ...   Apr 11 2008, 09:18 PM
Jeff Hail   Can someone clarify if this is what a 914 rocker i...   Apr 11 2008, 09:40 PM
Jeff Hail   Passenger side sill plate is in. Ran out of C02/A...   Apr 20 2008, 10:38 PM
Jeff Hail   Lite duty this week. Carpal Tunnel sucks. Welded i...   May 3 2008, 10:21 PM
Jeff Hail   Tomorrow I will coat the gap where the rocker and ...   May 3 2008, 10:26 PM
Jeff Hail   The right tool for the job. Stripped the right fr...   May 3 2008, 10:31 PM
Zimms   NICE WORK! Keep it coming!   May 4 2008, 06:45 AM
Eric_Shea   What's that called again?   May 4 2008, 08:55 AM
Jeff Hail   What's that called again? Wurth DBS 3500 ...   May 4 2008, 02:08 PM
Eric_Shea   @ $479.00 that may be worth it for even one c...   May 4 2008, 02:25 PM
Jeff Hail   @ $479.00 that may be worth it for even one ...   May 4 2008, 02:31 PM
Eric_Shea   I found that the pound is $1.95 now! :o ...   May 4 2008, 02:50 PM
sixnotfour   Soda Blast wont remove the nasty seam sealer. I j...   May 4 2008, 05:39 PM
Eric_Shea   Yeah I know... :( Send him my way when you...   May 4 2008, 06:37 PM
Jeff Hail   Stripped the underside rear of the tub to metal an...   May 11 2008, 12:16 AM
Jeff Hail   It's midnight and a knock at the door! Wh...   May 11 2008, 02:38 AM
Jeff Hail   Awesome....printed on the side of a box of Porsche...   May 12 2008, 10:30 PM
porsche914gt   Stahl New York Right? I remember mine had that.   May 13 2008, 12:27 AM
Jeff Hail   Stahl New York Right? I remember mine had that. ...   May 13 2008, 06:57 PM
kwales   Jeff, Something I've been meanign to ask... ...   May 13 2008, 07:42 PM
Jeff Hail   Jeff, Something I've been meanign to ask... ...   May 13 2008, 11:05 PM
Jeff Hail   I was prepping a post and the lights went out...   May 16 2008, 12:12 AM
Jeff Hail   A really good product I have used for years is Jas...   May 16 2008, 12:35 AM
craig downs   Where can you get it   May 16 2008, 12:37 AM
Jeff Hail   Where can you get it OSH, Lowes has it.....have...   May 16 2008, 12:40 AM
craig downs   Thanks I've never seen it before but I'll ...   May 16 2008, 12:54 AM
sean_v8_914   Frazee paint store has it too   May 16 2008, 10:19 AM
Jeff Hail   Cut the dead wood out of the cowl and cowl side ex...   May 17 2008, 09:13 PM
Jeff Hail   Shaping this area is a tight squeeze in the bends....   May 17 2008, 09:20 PM
Jeff Hail   Make a template for the old rusty cowl extension. ...   May 17 2008, 09:24 PM
Jeff Hail   Rough fitting the upper curved extension. Needs a ...   May 17 2008, 09:26 PM
Jeff Hail   Where was I Eric? Oh yes. Finished the passenger...   May 26 2008, 01:42 AM
Jeff Hail   It started raining while I was shooting primer. No...   May 26 2008, 01:45 AM
Jeff Hail   Few things done during the week. Right front whee...   May 31 2008, 10:37 PM
Jeff Hail   Nothing interesting here. No rust........Primer ti...   May 31 2008, 10:39 PM
Jeff Hail   Saturdays business Front of the right rocker. I a...   May 31 2008, 10:41 PM
Jeff Hail   More primer.....   May 31 2008, 10:42 PM
Jeff Hail   Some porn for Shea!   May 31 2008, 10:43 PM
Eric_Shea   Nice... ;)   Jun 1 2008, 12:34 PM
brer   So, does water drain from the front hood seal trou...   Jun 1 2008, 01:00 PM
Jeff Hail   So, does water drain from the front hood seal tro...   Jun 2 2008, 12:32 AM
Loser_Cruiser   so are these a one time deal or are you gonna be t...   Jun 2 2008, 12:40 AM
Jeff Hail   so are these a one time deal or are you gonna be ...   Jun 2 2008, 12:43 AM
Eric_Shea   Ohhhhh... you've got them shaking and quak...   Jun 2 2008, 08:41 AM
Jeff Hail   Ohhhhh... you've got them shaking and qua...   Jun 2 2008, 07:50 PM
Gint   You make me laugh Eric :stooges: Wait 'til you...   Jun 3 2008, 09:17 PM
theo   I have a question about your welding Technique, wh...   Jun 3 2008, 09:24 AM
Jeff Hail   I have a question about your welding Technique, w...   Jun 3 2008, 11:31 AM
Eric_Shea   Tip your bartenders and waitresses...   Jun 3 2008, 10:24 PM
Jeff Hail   Tip your bartenders and waitresses... Word has ...   Jun 5 2008, 12:28 AM
Jeff Hail   For everyone else (except Shea) more instruct...   Jun 5 2008, 12:33 AM
Racer Chris   Hey Jeff, It was good talking with you yesterday. ...   Jun 5 2008, 05:01 PM
Jeff Hail   Hey Jeff, It was good talking with you yesterday....   Jun 5 2008, 09:12 PM
Eric_Shea   :pirate: Carrrrrerrrrra... :stooges:   Jun 5 2008, 08:43 PM
Jeff Hail   :pirate: Carrrrrerrrrra... :stooges: Arrrrgh ...   Jun 5 2008, 09:15 PM
oh no, not again!   Jeff- Did I get the nose right??? I'm a sti...   Jun 6 2008, 09:47 AM
Jeff Hail   Jeff- Did I get the nose right??? I'm a st...   Jun 9 2008, 10:56 PM
oh no, not again!   No prob, mon! When you see him with one in ...   Jun 10 2008, 03:16 PM
Jeff Hail   Speaking about foibles................or sh@t happ...   Jun 9 2008, 11:25 PM
Eric_Shea   Ut uh... :busted!: I would have kept using...   Jun 10 2008, 04:17 PM
8 Pages V < 1 2 3 4 5 > » 


Reply to this topicStart new topic
2 User(s) are reading this topic (2 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 18th February 2026 - 06:44 AM
...