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| Jeff Hail |
Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.
My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job) I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's. I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite! Good advice to follow: Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level. Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin. My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions. 90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect. I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one. My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience. If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding. 3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep! Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California. Attached image(s)
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Jeff Hail Bringing out the dead Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
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Jeff Hail Where was I? Oh yeah....rust
I pulled the tack we... Nov 13 2009, 08:19 PM
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Wire wheel the area. Floor repair will follow l... Nov 13 2009, 09:12 PM
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Jeff Hail BTW
Clayton, Clayton. Calling the Twisted one. Th... Nov 13 2009, 08:37 PM
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brp986s Well...Did you get a bigger garage?
:ttiwwp: Nov 13 2009, 10:21 PM
Jeff Hail
Well...Did you get a bigger garage?
:ttiwwp:
... Nov 15 2009, 02:11 AM
Jeff Hail Before I start cutting the rusted area from the fr... Nov 15 2009, 02:37 AM
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FourBlades Whoo Hoo, Jeff is back!!!
We are read... Nov 15 2009, 08:19 PM
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Rand
Front tube structure fully welded in and spot pri... Dec 27 2009, 02:14 PM
Jeff Hail Ok
I lied... I did do some work back in January. B... Nov 26 2009, 02:23 AM
Racer Chris
14 inches from the inner wheel well to the outer... Nov 26 2009, 08:49 AM
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Jeff Hail After shaping and grinding. Came out a lot better ... Nov 27 2009, 10:35 PM
Mike914
After shaping and grinding. Came out a lot better... Nov 28 2009, 07:58 PM
Jeff Hail Hood fits perfect. Only the best will do. Nov 29 2009, 01:10 AM
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Jeff Hail Forward bulkhead compartment denuded of seam seale... Dec 27 2009, 03:30 AM
Jeff Hail The windshield molding clip hole's are all wel... Dec 27 2009, 03:39 AM
Smitty911 WOW, I just sat here and read your entire post.
A... Dec 27 2009, 01:14 PM
Jeff Hail Picture the bigger picture. Front substructure tie... Dec 27 2009, 03:45 PM
Rand
Ok the real reason is so I can ram shit out of th... Dec 27 2009, 03:56 PM
Jeff Hail Dual purpose: Support a fuel tank and stiffen the ... Dec 27 2009, 04:41 PM
Rand
Porsche knew this when they added a crossmember b... Dec 27 2009, 05:26 PM
Jeff Hail Have to agree with you on the GT stiffening kits.
... Dec 28 2009, 10:23 AM
brp986s "The rub marks are always at the crossmember ... Dec 28 2009, 01:12 PM
Racer Chris
At the crossmember end, the ID of the a-arm bushi... Jan 24 2010, 07:15 AM
brp986s
It is the aging rubber which causes the forces t... Jan 24 2010, 11:32 AM
Racer Chris
The chassis sees 100% of that torque.
Yup, alm... Jan 24 2010, 04:13 PM
Jeff Hail Delete Jan 24 2010, 04:17 AM
Thomas J Bliznik
I am on leave. Family issues, woman is upset with... Jan 24 2010, 10:13 AM
Jeff Hail Just before I left I have was assessing the left i... Jan 24 2010, 04:24 AM
Racer Chris I know of a healer (nagual) in Bali who also teach... Jan 24 2010, 07:04 AM
Jeff Hail I forgot to post these before I went out of town. ... Jan 30 2010, 12:55 AM
Jeff Hail mis·cel·la·neous rambings
I'm back. Intere... Feb 3 2010, 12:26 AM
Jeff Hail Working on the left inner long. Its done. Just nee... Feb 3 2010, 12:30 AM
Jeff Hail Completed the tunnel repair patch for both sides. ... Feb 3 2010, 12:34 AM
strawman Hi Jeff,
Lookin' great!
I can't wa... Feb 3 2010, 01:29 PM
bcaschera :agree:
The turn signal pods are just begging to ... Feb 3 2010, 05:38 PM
Jeff Hail The recent copy of Exellence provided a few extrem... Feb 3 2010, 06:24 PM
Jeff Hail The Redhead has me stirred up!!!
Nee... Feb 15 2010, 10:46 PM
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Jeff Hail Test fit of the Left Outer Long. Check for level a... Feb 21 2010, 10:48 PM
Jeff Hail Lets burn some metal. Alchemy!!
Grinding ... Feb 21 2010, 10:49 PM
Jeff Hail I removed the brace just above the inner long befo... Feb 21 2010, 11:09 PM
Eric_Shea
Jeff, What method did you use to get the support... Feb 27 2010, 03:38 PM
Jeff Hail Hi Eric Feb 28 2010, 02:56 AM
Jeff Hail A few mnutes to play...
Final fitting of the rear... Feb 28 2010, 02:58 AM
Jeff Hail Ok shit that hurts. Anyone who works with sheetmet... Feb 28 2010, 03:06 AM
rick 918-S Nice work Jeff! :thumbsup: REAlly nice gash... Feb 28 2010, 08:05 AM
Krank A little lemon and salt on there and I bet the vod... Feb 28 2010, 09:07 AM
Cairo94507 Wow; Jeff you are one talented man. Any chance yo... Feb 28 2010, 09:25 AM
d914 I WAS married to a red head!! Say no more ... Feb 28 2010, 10:40 AM
Eric_Shea One way to get some "gash" :D Feb 28 2010, 11:14 AM
Jeff Hail
One way to get some "gash" :D
It was... Mar 1 2010, 11:55 PM
Jeff Hail Grinding of the welds done.
Well maybe not! O... Mar 2 2010, 12:06 AM
Jon Fernandes Looking great! Very clean repair. Keep it up... Mar 2 2010, 10:03 AM
Gigamight I just found this thread, been looking through and... Mar 2 2010, 10:38 AM
Zardozz My boss is a redhead. Ya just gotta say yes and ni... Mar 2 2010, 12:53 PM
kwales Redheads never forget.
I know, been married to on... Mar 2 2010, 01:32 PM
Jeff Hail Oh and very familiar with them. I see the humor cl... Mar 2 2010, 03:20 PM
Root_Werks :welder: Apr 6 2010, 01:21 PM
Jeff Hail Oh PS... The Red Head is back! Apr 6 2010, 05:03 PM
Jeff Hail Still here. Got sacked with some family issues and... Jun 22 2010, 06:11 PM
Jeff Hail BTW: If anyone is interested I have this for sale ... Jun 22 2010, 06:31 PM
Silverstreak You had me worried there for a sec. I thought mayb... Jun 22 2010, 08:34 PM
Jeff Hail I never get rid of anything it seems.
Been busy.... Aug 18 2010, 07:46 PM
euro911
I never get rid of anything it seems ... Seems l... Oct 17 2010, 06:30 PM
Jeff Hail Shiny things are good. Aug 18 2010, 07:58 PM
Jeff Hail A little time out for play.
Stopped by my friend ... Aug 23 2010, 08:56 PM
Eric_Shea Legend... Aug 24 2010, 08:40 AM
jmill How the hell did I miss this one? Fantastic work.... Aug 28 2010, 06:58 PM
Jeff Hail Filling up yesterday. Very cool pump display. 911 ... Sep 10 2010, 10:07 AM
jt914-6
Filling up yesterday. Very cool pump display. 911... Sep 24 2010, 05:10 AM
pcar916 ... especially the part about filling up the gas t... Sep 10 2010, 10:11 AM
Jeff Hail Things that spin!!
Most people don't ... Sep 24 2010, 12:41 AM
Jeff Hail Damn Red Heads again. This one showed up at 3:00am... Oct 17 2010, 12:10 AM
Jeff Hail Made some room in the shop. Enough to fend off gar... Oct 17 2010, 12:12 AM
Jeff Hail Measure everything nine times. Remeasured again an... Oct 17 2010, 12:16 AM
Jeff Hail Product Placement (of the Foley kind)
Left pickup... Oct 18 2010, 08:45 PM
Jeff Hail Cut out the right long and test fit the right pick... Oct 19 2010, 10:15 PM
Jeff Hail Moving the pickups 5mm forward to match factory wh... Oct 19 2010, 10:24 PM
Jeff Hail Foley Pickups squared and tacked in.
So.... I ne... Oct 31 2010, 01:32 AM
Jeff Hail Went to trial fit the control arm... and snapped t... Oct 31 2010, 01:36 AM
Hontec Amazing work!! I love this thread! :be... Oct 31 2010, 03:12 AM
Jeff Hail Trimmed the longs enough to mount the arms. Wheelb... Nov 1 2010, 10:31 PM
kg6dxn Maybe I missed something. Why are you moving the t... Nov 2 2010, 07:02 PM
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Jeff Hail Love you too Eric!! Nov 2 2010, 11:30 PM
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