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> Bringing out the dead
Jeff Hail
post Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.

My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job)

I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's.

I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite!

Good advice to follow:
Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level.

Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin.

My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions.
90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect.

I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one.

My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience.

If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding.

3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep!

Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California.


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Jeff Hail   Bringing out the dead   Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Toys in the Attic   Nov 2 2010, 11:37 PM
Jeff Hail   Eric?? Eric?? Leave me alone I am busy. The righ...   Nov 2 2010, 11:39 PM
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Jeff Hail   The Redhead says "Mmmmmmmm... Hubs and beari...   Dec 21 2010, 12:16 AM
Jeff Hail   That even looks like her!!!!!...   Nov 3 2010, 09:37 AM
Jeff Hail   I am only pushing the track width out 12mm per sid...   Nov 6 2010, 12:23 PM
ghuff   I had to stop in this thread to say you rule. This...   Nov 6 2010, 02:58 PM
MrHyde   Question about the new rear suspension pickup setu...   Nov 14 2010, 08:25 PM
Jeff Hail   Would this be worth the effort? Absolutley it woul...   Nov 14 2010, 10:45 PM
MrHyde   I looked at the link you posted.. You're right...   Nov 15 2010, 07:04 AM
Jeff Hail   Busy with holiday cheer and other peoples stuff. ...   Dec 21 2010, 12:22 AM
Jeff Hail   RT side in!!! Good feeling when the p...   Jan 3 2011, 11:55 PM
nsr-jamie   This is my favorite thread, I just spent the last ...   Jan 4 2011, 09:13 AM
Jeff Hail   Non stop!   Jan 14 2011, 12:51 AM
Jeff Hail   Finishing up the pickups. Lots of weld grinding an...   Jan 20 2011, 02:16 AM
Jeff Hail   Eric, I really have been working. The other side.   Jan 20 2011, 02:18 AM
Jeff Hail   Chris, My friend really admired your pickups. He (...   Jan 20 2011, 02:24 AM
Jeff Hail   For us old guys who wear reader/ progressive len...   Jan 20 2011, 02:48 AM
Krank   And if you are working on something close just abo...   Jan 20 2011, 08:30 PM
Eric_Shea   Get with the program... :D   Jan 21 2011, 01:18 AM
Jeff Hail   Get with the program... :D I'm trying E...   Jan 23 2011, 10:47 PM
Jeff Hail   A few hours spent today installing the outer reinf...   Jan 23 2011, 11:04 PM
Hontec   Nice solution! pickups not only look way bette...   Jan 24 2011, 04:05 AM
P.Rocket   This thread is briliant! Very well documented....   Jan 26 2011, 03:25 AM
Jeff Hail   While waiting for my date to arrive to go out for ...   Feb 5 2011, 12:22 AM
sixnotfour   date "oh jeff you smell great ,what cologne d...   Feb 5 2011, 11:26 AM
Jeff Hail   date "oh jeff you smell great ,what cologne ...   Feb 5 2011, 11:59 AM
Jeff Hail   Repeat of a previous hat trick except in reverse. ...   Feb 5 2011, 11:27 PM
Eric_Shea   :trophy:   Feb 6 2011, 03:25 PM
majkos   :agree: You make it look Soooo easy!   Feb 6 2011, 10:22 PM
Jeff Hail   Driver side sill in. Need to finish grind the plug...   Feb 11 2011, 07:12 PM
Jeff Hail   Thats a floor Eric. Say ahh!   Feb 11 2011, 07:14 PM
Jeff Hail   Chipping away one piece at a time. Metal finishing...   Feb 13 2011, 10:11 PM
ONTHEGRIND   I am doing alot of metal work myself and have etch...   Feb 13 2011, 10:15 PM
Jeff Hail   I am doing alot of metal work myself and have etc...   Feb 13 2011, 11:22 PM
Jeff Hail   My good friend Victor Van Tress (1987 SCCA Nation...   Feb 13 2011, 10:19 PM
Jeff Hail   Installed some new metal on the left side of the t...   Feb 23 2011, 11:21 PM
krazykonrad   "rust welded" Don't cut out th...   Feb 24 2011, 10:48 AM
Jeff Hail   "rust welded" Don't cut out t...   Mar 7 2011, 05:08 PM
Jeff Hail   A few more modifications to the early firewall. C...   Mar 7 2011, 05:03 PM
Jeff Hail   Next I will fit the floor and trim as needed. Take...   Mar 7 2011, 05:06 PM
Jeff Hail   Bunch of little things to tidy up, fabricate... be...   Mar 21 2011, 11:55 PM
dpires914   Bunch of little things to tidy up, fabricate... b...   Mar 26 2011, 09:33 AM
Jeff Hail   Bunch of little things to tidy up, fabricate... ...   Apr 6 2011, 08:59 AM
Jeff Hail   Now thats a SHIFT knob !! Whatcha think?   Mar 21 2011, 11:56 PM
KELTY360   Now thats a SHIFT knob !! Whatcha think?...   Mar 22 2011, 12:13 AM
speed metal army   Now thats a SHIFT knob !! Whatcha think?...   May 25 2011, 11:52 PM
Scott Schroeder   Now thats a SHIFT knob !! Whatcha think?...   Jun 3 2011, 03:43 PM
Hontec   I just read your topic and maybe I read over it, b...   Mar 25 2011, 12:26 PM
Jeff Hail   I just read your topic and maybe I read over it, ...   Apr 6 2011, 08:58 AM
obscurity   I just read your topic and maybe I read over it,...   Apr 6 2011, 09:34 AM
krazykonrad   Jeff- Your level of craftsmanship is incredible...   Apr 8 2011, 09:05 PM
Jeff Hail   A bit of a hiatus after two back to back surgeries...   May 7 2011, 12:05 AM
enderw88   If Lamborghini could get away with using 92 Nissa...   May 26 2011, 06:16 PM
Loser_Cruiser   any updates? :)   May 21 2011, 08:58 PM
Jeff Hail   any updates? :) Nope... busy elsewhere.   May 21 2011, 10:39 PM
saigon71   Awesome work Jeff! I have learned a lot from ...   May 23 2011, 02:38 PM
Jeff Hail   A little time to play last night. Been busy everyw...   May 25 2011, 11:18 PM
Loser_Cruiser   Lookin good, I'm excited to see your lighting ...   May 26 2011, 04:36 PM
Jeff Hail   My neck and left shoulder are killing me. Can...   Jun 3 2011, 12:00 AM
majkos   I LOVE the near "donut holes" shelf (Do...   Jun 3 2011, 07:07 AM
Jeff Hail   Actually the 8 Ball came with the car. I think it ...   Jun 11 2011, 11:02 PM
Jeff Hail   Guess that part? Hint: Qtr panel.   Jun 11 2011, 11:03 PM
Jeff Hail   I guess no takers on: "Guess that part"....   Jun 28 2011, 08:02 PM
Jeff Hail   My conundrum was how to repair or replace it with ...   Jun 28 2011, 08:10 PM
Jeff Hail   The piece is then bonded with structural adhesive....   Jun 28 2011, 08:15 PM
Jeff Hail   Lets play "Guess that part" again.   Jun 28 2011, 08:32 PM
Jeff Hail   Hint !   Jun 28 2011, 08:33 PM
Jeff Hail   No winners today.   Jun 28 2011, 08:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Spare me the the mass PM's please. :D These ...   Jun 28 2011, 08:36 PM
Loser_Cruiser   I already emailed you the other day, haha. I was h...   Jun 28 2011, 10:57 PM
Jeff Hail   Sometimes life goes so fast.   Sep 17 2011, 11:34 PM
sixnotfour   You know the movie quote "Italian trash...   Sep 18 2011, 12:12 AM
NS914   You know the movie quote "Italian trash...   Jan 6 2012, 01:58 PM
Jeff Hail   You know the movie quote "Italian trash...   Jan 6 2012, 10:54 PM
NS914   [quote name='NS914' post='1600719' date='Jan 6 20...   Jan 9 2012, 10:17 AM
Eric_Shea   Time to get busy again! :D   Nov 28 2012, 11:51 PM
Jeff Hail   Time to get busy again! :D Yeah I know yo...   Nov 29 2012, 11:45 AM
Eric_Shea   Sorry to hear buddy. Get well!   Nov 29 2012, 06:51 PM
d914   get well and start showing us all up again!...   Nov 29 2012, 07:46 PM
Trekkor   I look forward to seeing more. KT   Nov 29 2012, 07:54 PM
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Jeff Hail   Hella Catz legal to the letter of the VC as a head...   Nov 30 2012, 03:34 PM
Rand   I volunteer as your substitute shoulder.   Nov 30 2012, 03:45 PM
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