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> Bringing out the dead
Jeff Hail
post Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.

My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job)

I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's.

I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite!

Good advice to follow:
Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level.

Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin.

My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions.
90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect.

I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one.

My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience.

If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding.

3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep!

Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California.


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Jeff Hail   Bringing out the dead   Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
r_towle   nice job Jeff.... I would love to see a separate ...   Mar 10 2014, 03:34 PM
Jeff Hail   nice job Jeff.... I would love to see a separate...   Mar 10 2014, 11:04 PM
Jeff Hail   God gave to Nascar and he also taketh away from th...   Mar 10 2014, 11:15 PM
rick 918-S   I haven't clicked on this one lately. Very nic...   Mar 11 2014, 07:15 AM
Eric_Shea   What the hell did I miss here? Jeff turned a pres...   Mar 11 2014, 08:51 PM
Jeff Hail   43 Plymouth dash? Nope!   Mar 16 2014, 08:56 PM
Jeff Hail   Got to make some room. Thought about putting a C...   Mar 16 2014, 08:58 PM
Jeff Hail   The metal I used is 16 gauge. Would like to have a...   Mar 16 2014, 09:43 PM
Jeff Hail   Hey its got a front end again. A little "R...   Mar 20 2014, 11:29 PM
Jeff Hail   It has a rear end to ! Lots of work to do here...   Mar 20 2014, 11:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Rear lighting. Bases painted and assembled.   Mar 23 2014, 12:41 AM
76-914   Rear lighting. Bases painted and assembled. Jeff...   May 16 2014, 09:02 AM
Jeff Hail   Rear lighting. Bases painted and assembled. Jef...   May 16 2014, 11:57 PM
Jeff Hail   Carrera axel and lug centric hub on the left with ...   Apr 3 2014, 11:01 PM
jaxdream   Ok I gottcha , you are centering the Carrera hub i...   Apr 4 2014, 07:49 AM
Jeff Hail   Unhappy with factory lighting and unsatisfied with...   Apr 13 2014, 02:21 PM
Jeff Hail   Modified the Hella bulb housings and installed som...   Apr 13 2014, 02:25 PM
Jeff Hail   With the lights in the garage out these are really...   Apr 13 2014, 02:30 PM
Eric_Shea   :trophy: Nice work Jeff. Nice to see some skin o...   Apr 13 2014, 06:14 PM
Maltese Falcon   Jeff, I'll need to source some of the hub-to-b...   Apr 13 2014, 06:18 PM
Maltese Falcon   Jeff...any updates on your build ? Hope your shoul...   May 15 2014, 11:31 PM
Jeff Hail   Jeff...any updates on your build ? Hope your shou...   May 16 2014, 11:52 PM
Jeff Hail   I'm working   Oct 31 2014, 12:26 AM
Jeff Hail   I'm working   Oct 31 2014, 12:26 AM
Jeff Hail   I'm working   Oct 31 2014, 12:28 AM
Jeff Hail   Really like my NEW blasting cabinet. Inexpensive,...   Oct 31 2014, 12:33 AM
Jeff Hail   Added more lighting to the shop. Quote: Eddie Mur...   Oct 31 2014, 12:41 AM
injunmort   I have a first generation barrel blaster and been ...   Oct 31 2014, 04:34 PM
Jeff Hail   Funny that you ask what happened to Toppers parts....   Oct 31 2014, 09:58 PM
Jeff Hail   These are the rocker moldings I picked up from Top...   Oct 31 2014, 10:10 PM
Jeff Hail   How rude of me Seasons Greetings and other uses f...   Oct 31 2014, 10:15 PM
Jeff Hail   3M Metal Prep or Jasco is just phosphoric acid. Ja...   Nov 6 2014, 03:58 PM
mrbubblehead   what about a sand blasted surface jeff? would that...   Nov 6 2014, 08:16 PM
Jeff Hail   Depends on what grit abrasive is used. I finer med...   Nov 6 2014, 09:15 PM
Jeff Hail   Anyone that has ever removed bearing races from 91...   Nov 18 2014, 02:16 AM
Jeff Hail   Pressing in the new races GENTLY. I believe a pres...   Nov 18 2014, 02:21 AM
Jeff Hail   Ready to go. Races installed. Bearings packed. Ins...   Nov 18 2014, 02:25 AM
Maltese Falcon   Jeff, Good tip on the front hubs...definitely will...   Nov 19 2014, 01:58 PM
Jeff Hail   The art of restoration. The only parts that are...   Nov 30 2014, 01:28 PM
Jeff Hail   I deviated from one thing on Foleys 911 e-brake mo...   Nov 30 2014, 01:32 PM
Jeff Hail   In process   Nov 30 2014, 01:38 PM
Jeff Hail   I was called last night by my friend Victor Van Tr...   Nov 30 2014, 02:07 PM
Jeff Hail   Pre-fit the motor mount and burn it in.   Dec 13 2014, 12:24 AM
Jeff Hail   24 Hours of LeMons/ Sonoma California The Peugeot...   Dec 13 2014, 12:35 AM
Jeff Hail   Completion of strut #2 Installing inner bearing r...   Dec 24 2014, 01:16 AM
Jeff Hail   Installing outer race and pressure packing bearing...   Dec 24 2014, 01:16 AM
Jeff Hail   Installing the seal then hub on the spindle. Grea...   Dec 24 2014, 01:19 AM
396   Congrats and keep up the fantastic work. Enjoy a ...   Dec 24 2014, 03:40 AM
mrbubblehead   Jeff, what are you using for wheel bearing grease...   Dec 24 2014, 10:58 PM
Jeff Hail   Jeff, what are you using for wheel bearing greas...   Dec 25 2014, 01:24 AM
Jeff Hail   Quaker came out with a white paper on grease formu...   Dec 25 2014, 01:40 AM
TJB/914   Quaker came out with a white paper on grease form...   Dec 26 2014, 11:37 AM
CptTripps   I do love this thread...   Dec 26 2014, 09:20 AM
Jeff Hail   Post assembly fact checking aka anal retentive qua...   Jan 6 2015, 12:16 AM
Jeff Hail   Way back Machine Have to weld up those trick rear...   Jan 6 2015, 12:24 AM
Jeff Hail   As the lyrics from the Scorpions go: "The bit...   Feb 4 2015, 11:06 PM
FourBlades   Is that -16? John   Feb 5 2015, 11:07 AM
Jeff Hail   Is that -16? John Yes sir John   Feb 7 2015, 12:26 AM
johnhora   Way back Machine Have to weld up those trick rea...   Feb 5 2015, 11:10 AM
Jeff Hail   Way back Machine Have to weld up those trick re...   Feb 7 2015, 12:27 AM
Jeff Hail   Back on metal. Slicing some 16 guage Sheet meta...   Feb 7 2015, 12:29 AM
Jeff Hail   I usually don't buy tools or equipment from HF...   Feb 21 2015, 01:19 PM
Jeff Hail   A couple hours later and a little re-paint, clearc...   Feb 21 2015, 01:21 PM
KELTY360   It even matches the blue tarp that's covering ...   Feb 21 2015, 01:30 PM
Jeff Hail   It even matches the blue tarp that's covering...   Feb 21 2015, 01:42 PM
mrbubblehead   nice score on the cart jeff. i ended up building m...   Feb 21 2015, 08:42 PM
Jeff Hail   Way cool. I was going to build one or buy a used p...   Feb 21 2015, 09:54 PM
Maltese Falcon   Gotta have my drink holder for iced TEA !   Feb 22 2015, 12:42 AM
veekry9   vrlvqib94xQ Simple. :D Battery-weld https://www.y...   Feb 23 2015, 08:17 PM
914forme   Jeff, what color and who's product did you use...   Feb 24 2015, 08:41 AM
Jeff Hail   [quote name='914forme' date='Feb 24 20...   Feb 24 2015, 07:53 PM
914forme   [quote name='914forme' date='Feb 24 2...   Feb 25 2015, 07:56 AM
Jeff Hail   I did not realize how long its been since my last ...   Dec 22 2015, 10:41 PM
396   I did not realize how long its been since my last...   Dec 23 2015, 09:02 PM
mepstein   Jeff - first post Oct 2 2007, 12:35 AM :poke:   Dec 22 2015, 10:50 PM
KELTY360   Couple weeks?   Dec 22 2015, 11:21 PM
Jeff Hail   It takes some jockeying to get it in with the air ...   Jun 18 2016, 11:42 AM
doug_b_928   Hi Jeff. In post #191 (linked below) you show you...   Jan 16 2017, 08:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Hi Jeff. In post #191 (linked below) you show yo...   Jan 17 2017, 07:34 PM
doug_b_928   That's very helpful, thanks Jeff.   Jan 17 2017, 08:12 PM
Jeff Hail   Enjoy! https://youtu.be/3kLOnEKbuW0   Feb 24 2017, 05:55 PM
KELTY360   Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMyy...   Feb 24 2017, 06:42 PM
Jeff Hail   Enjoy! That was fun! That road surfac...   Feb 26 2017, 12:30 AM
NS914   Hey Jeff, Did you ever finish your 914....and wha...   Jun 29 2018, 09:45 AM
Jeff Hail   Hey Jeff, Did you ever finish your 914....and wh...   Jun 29 2018, 09:06 PM
Jeff Hail   Ran into Aaron Schwartzbart. Trailer got a flat ti...   Mar 20 2017, 08:41 AM
ndfrigi   Ran into Aaron Schwartzbart. Trailer got a flat t...   Mar 20 2017, 12:00 PM
sb914   Beautiful car !!   Mar 20 2017, 08:52 AM
tygaboy   Interesting rear wing location. I understand it...   Mar 20 2017, 09:08 AM
Tbrown4x4   My guess is that the location is above the suspens...   Mar 20 2017, 10:13 AM
tygaboy   My guess is that the location is above the suspen...   Mar 20 2017, 11:45 AM
mbseto   My guess is that the location is above the suspe...   Jun 29 2018, 02:40 PM
Jeff Hail   and one more thing! No pity, not looking for ...   Jun 29 2018, 09:18 PM
altitude411   Fantastic writing and some serious content to go a...   Jun 29 2018, 09:25 PM
sixnotfour   Life is long. Life is not a dress rehearsal.. Play...   Jun 29 2018, 09:28 PM
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