|
|

|
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way. Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. |
|
|
| Jeff Hail |
Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
Post
#1
|
|
Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,141 Joined: 3-May 07 From: LA/ CA Member No.: 7,712 |
Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.
My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job) I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's. I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite! Good advice to follow: Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level. Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin. My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions. 90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect. I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one. My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience. If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding. 3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep! Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California. Attached image(s)
|
Jeff Hail Bringing out the dead Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
r_towle nice job Jeff....
I would love to see a separate ... Mar 10 2014, 03:34 PM
Jeff Hail
nice job Jeff....
I would love to see a separate... Mar 10 2014, 11:04 PM
Jeff Hail God gave to Nascar and he also taketh away from th... Mar 10 2014, 11:15 PM
rick 918-S I haven't clicked on this one lately. Very nic... Mar 11 2014, 07:15 AM
Eric_Shea What the hell did I miss here? Jeff turned a pres... Mar 11 2014, 08:51 PM
Jeff Hail 43 Plymouth dash? Nope! Mar 16 2014, 08:56 PM
Jeff Hail Got to make some room.
Thought about putting a C... Mar 16 2014, 08:58 PM
Jeff Hail The metal I used is 16 gauge. Would like to have a... Mar 16 2014, 09:43 PM
Jeff Hail Hey its got a front end again. A little "R... Mar 20 2014, 11:29 PM
Jeff Hail It has a rear end to ! Lots of work to do here... Mar 20 2014, 11:35 PM
Jeff Hail Rear lighting. Bases painted and assembled. Mar 23 2014, 12:41 AM
76-914
Rear lighting. Bases painted and assembled.
Jeff... May 16 2014, 09:02 AM
Jeff Hail
Rear lighting. Bases painted and assembled.
Jef... May 16 2014, 11:57 PM
Jeff Hail Carrera axel and lug centric hub on the left with ... Apr 3 2014, 11:01 PM
jaxdream Ok I gottcha , you are centering the Carrera hub i... Apr 4 2014, 07:49 AM
Jeff Hail Unhappy with factory lighting and unsatisfied with... Apr 13 2014, 02:21 PM
Jeff Hail Modified the Hella bulb housings and installed som... Apr 13 2014, 02:25 PM
Jeff Hail With the lights in the garage out these are really... Apr 13 2014, 02:30 PM
Eric_Shea :trophy: Nice work Jeff. Nice to see some skin o... Apr 13 2014, 06:14 PM
Maltese Falcon Jeff, I'll need to source some of the hub-to-b... Apr 13 2014, 06:18 PM
Maltese Falcon Jeff...any updates on your build ?
Hope your shoul... May 15 2014, 11:31 PM
Jeff Hail
Jeff...any updates on your build ?
Hope your shou... May 16 2014, 11:52 PM
Jeff Hail I'm working Oct 31 2014, 12:26 AM
Jeff Hail I'm working Oct 31 2014, 12:26 AM
Jeff Hail I'm working Oct 31 2014, 12:28 AM
Jeff Hail Really like my NEW blasting cabinet. Inexpensive,... Oct 31 2014, 12:33 AM
Jeff Hail Added more lighting to the shop.
Quote: Eddie Mur... Oct 31 2014, 12:41 AM
injunmort I have a first generation barrel blaster and been ... Oct 31 2014, 04:34 PM
Jeff Hail Funny that you ask what happened to Toppers parts.... Oct 31 2014, 09:58 PM
Jeff Hail These are the rocker moldings I picked up from Top... Oct 31 2014, 10:10 PM
Jeff Hail How rude of me
Seasons Greetings and other uses f... Oct 31 2014, 10:15 PM
Jeff Hail 3M Metal Prep or Jasco is just phosphoric acid. Ja... Nov 6 2014, 03:58 PM
mrbubblehead what about a sand blasted surface jeff? would that... Nov 6 2014, 08:16 PM
Jeff Hail Depends on what grit abrasive is used. I finer med... Nov 6 2014, 09:15 PM
Jeff Hail Anyone that has ever removed bearing races from 91... Nov 18 2014, 02:16 AM
Jeff Hail Pressing in the new races GENTLY. I believe a pres... Nov 18 2014, 02:21 AM
Jeff Hail Ready to go. Races installed. Bearings packed. Ins... Nov 18 2014, 02:25 AM
Maltese Falcon Jeff,
Good tip on the front hubs...definitely will... Nov 19 2014, 01:58 PM
Jeff Hail The art of restoration.
The only parts that are... Nov 30 2014, 01:28 PM
Jeff Hail I deviated from one thing on Foleys 911 e-brake mo... Nov 30 2014, 01:32 PM
Jeff Hail In process Nov 30 2014, 01:38 PM
Jeff Hail I was called last night by my friend Victor Van Tr... Nov 30 2014, 02:07 PM
Jeff Hail Pre-fit the motor mount and burn it in. Dec 13 2014, 12:24 AM
Jeff Hail 24 Hours of LeMons/ Sonoma California
The Peugeot... Dec 13 2014, 12:35 AM
Jeff Hail Completion of strut #2
Installing inner bearing r... Dec 24 2014, 01:16 AM
Jeff Hail Installing outer race and pressure packing bearing... Dec 24 2014, 01:16 AM
Jeff Hail Installing the seal then hub on the spindle.
Grea... Dec 24 2014, 01:19 AM
396 Congrats and keep up the fantastic work. Enjoy a ... Dec 24 2014, 03:40 AM
mrbubblehead Jeff,
what are you using for wheel bearing grease... Dec 24 2014, 10:58 PM
Jeff Hail
Jeff,
what are you using for wheel bearing greas... Dec 25 2014, 01:24 AM
Jeff Hail Quaker came out with a white paper on grease formu... Dec 25 2014, 01:40 AM
TJB/914
Quaker came out with a white paper on grease form... Dec 26 2014, 11:37 AM
CptTripps I do love this thread... Dec 26 2014, 09:20 AM
Jeff Hail Post assembly fact checking aka anal retentive qua... Jan 6 2015, 12:16 AM
Jeff Hail Way back Machine
Have to weld up those trick rear... Jan 6 2015, 12:24 AM
Jeff Hail As the lyrics from the Scorpions go: "The bit... Feb 4 2015, 11:06 PM
FourBlades Is that -16?
John Feb 5 2015, 11:07 AM
Jeff Hail
Is that -16?
John
Yes sir John Feb 7 2015, 12:26 AM
johnhora
Way back Machine
Have to weld up those trick rea... Feb 5 2015, 11:10 AM
Jeff Hail
Way back Machine
Have to weld up those trick re... Feb 7 2015, 12:27 AM
Jeff Hail Back on metal.
Slicing some 16 guage
Sheet meta... Feb 7 2015, 12:29 AM
Jeff Hail I usually don't buy tools or equipment from HF... Feb 21 2015, 01:19 PM
Jeff Hail A couple hours later and a little re-paint, clearc... Feb 21 2015, 01:21 PM
KELTY360 It even matches the blue tarp that's covering ... Feb 21 2015, 01:30 PM
Jeff Hail
It even matches the blue tarp that's covering... Feb 21 2015, 01:42 PM
mrbubblehead nice score on the cart jeff. i ended up building m... Feb 21 2015, 08:42 PM
Jeff Hail Way cool. I was going to build one or buy a used p... Feb 21 2015, 09:54 PM
Maltese Falcon Gotta have my drink holder for iced TEA ! Feb 22 2015, 12:42 AM
veekry9 vrlvqib94xQ
Simple. :D
Battery-weld
https://www.y... Feb 23 2015, 08:17 PM
914forme Jeff, what color and who's product did you use... Feb 24 2015, 08:41 AM
Jeff Hail [quote name='914forme' date='Feb 24 20... Feb 24 2015, 07:53 PM
914forme
[quote name='914forme' date='Feb 24 2... Feb 25 2015, 07:56 AM
Jeff Hail I did not realize how long its been since my last ... Dec 22 2015, 10:41 PM
396
I did not realize how long its been since my last... Dec 23 2015, 09:02 PM
mepstein Jeff - first post Oct 2 2007, 12:35 AM :poke: Dec 22 2015, 10:50 PM
KELTY360 Couple weeks? Dec 22 2015, 11:21 PM
Jeff Hail It takes some jockeying to get it in with the air ... Jun 18 2016, 11:42 AM
doug_b_928 Hi Jeff. In post #191 (linked below) you show you... Jan 16 2017, 08:35 PM
Jeff Hail
Hi Jeff. In post #191 (linked below) you show yo... Jan 17 2017, 07:34 PM
doug_b_928 That's very helpful, thanks Jeff. Jan 17 2017, 08:12 PM
Jeff Hail Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/3kLOnEKbuW0 Feb 24 2017, 05:55 PM
KELTY360
Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEMyy... Feb 24 2017, 06:42 PM
Jeff Hail
Enjoy!
That was fun! That road surfac... Feb 26 2017, 12:30 AM
NS914 Hey Jeff,
Did you ever finish your 914....and wha... Jun 29 2018, 09:45 AM
Jeff Hail
Hey Jeff,
Did you ever finish your 914....and wh... Jun 29 2018, 09:06 PM
Jeff Hail Ran into Aaron Schwartzbart. Trailer got a flat ti... Mar 20 2017, 08:41 AM
ndfrigi
Ran into Aaron Schwartzbart. Trailer got a flat t... Mar 20 2017, 12:00 PM
sb914 Beautiful car !! Mar 20 2017, 08:52 AM
tygaboy Interesting rear wing location. I understand it... Mar 20 2017, 09:08 AM
Tbrown4x4 My guess is that the location is above the suspens... Mar 20 2017, 10:13 AM
tygaboy
My guess is that the location is above the suspen... Mar 20 2017, 11:45 AM
mbseto
My guess is that the location is above the suspe... Jun 29 2018, 02:40 PM
Jeff Hail and one more thing!
No pity, not looking for ... Jun 29 2018, 09:18 PM
altitude411 Fantastic writing and some serious content to go a... Jun 29 2018, 09:25 PM
sixnotfour Life is long.
Life is not a dress rehearsal..
Play... Jun 29 2018, 09:28 PM![]() ![]() |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 18th February 2026 - 09:29 AM |
| All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002 |
|
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community! We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ... |